I hope we get him back to teammelli as soon as possible.

YouTube - Khalili Goal to peykan ... New (Ali Karimi Pas 5*)

Nice! Hopefully he can do similar stuff in TM.

As usual wasting way too much time with the ball. On the international level he wouldn't have got past that 2nd defender IMHO. He looked like a chicken with his head cut-off in the ACL game that I saw. He tries this 4 or 5 times in every game and everntually you'll have one play that leads to a goal, but I wouldn't put our hopes on this guy. Sorry about the negativity as Hamid would say. ;)

As usual wasting way too much time with the ball. On the international level he wouldn't have got past that 2nd defender IMHO. He looked like a chicken with his head cut-off in the ACL game that I saw. He tries this 4 or 5 times in every game and everntually you'll have one play that leads to a goal, but I wouldn't put our hopes on this guy. Sorry about the negativity as Hamid would say. ;)

LOL, honestly, that's exactly what I was going to say behrou. :drinking22: I was never impressed by all the extra/unnecessary touches that Karimi seems to be so good at. :Fartbed:

He should continue with club football but keep him away from TM. Who am I kidding, it really doesn't matter any more until 2014 anyway. :violinplay1:

As usual wasting way too much time with the ball. On the international level he wouldn't have got past that 2nd defender IMHO. He looked like a chicken with his head cut-off in the ACL game that I saw. He tries this 4 or 5 times in every game and everntually you'll have one play that leads to a goal, but I wouldn't put our hopes on this guy. Sorry about the negativity as Hamid would say. ;)

I agree but players like him or maradona are able to gather few players around himself the suddenly there is a playerin his own team who is unmarked
and he can pass to then he scores. I think against both N.Korea and S.Korea
he can offer lots of help. Against Arabic teams he is not effective.
Therefore I hope they invite him.
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I also agree with Behrou.

I hope he wont get invited to TM cause North Korea's defense wont really be similar to Peykan's. He will be wasting a lot of opportunities by trying to do these kind of stuff.

Shojaei's style could be a bit similar but at least he's learning when to use his skills and when not to, the proper way.

I agree but players like him or maradona are able to gather few players around himself the suddenly there is a playerin his own team who is unmarked
and he can pass to then he scores. I think against both N.Korea and S.Korea
he can offer lots of help. Against Arabic teams he is not effective.
Therefore I hope they invite him.

Khoda omret bedeh DS jaan, Karimi koja, Maradona koja? :spinface:

Haala shookhi shookhi esmesho maa gozasteem "Asian Maradona". Khob Khomeinio mage Emam nakardeem? Bahaullah ro ham Peyghambar, Ali Daieam aslan khodeh khoda! In teflakiam haala shod Asian Maradona amma heech kodoom az ina ro baavar nakon. :drinking05:

Mardona knew how to use every part of his body, including his hand. Karimi can't even use his brain - lol! :wavetowel2:

i think you guys are being a bit too harsh on Karimi. His playmaking abilities passing wise are on par with jabbari and navidkia (two of Irans best) and unlike these two, he can also create for himself.

He has impecible vision, and the ability to capatalize on his vision with beautifull passes.

I think even in his out of shape form, he is head and shoulders above anyone else in iran who could play that position.

Khoda omret bedeh DS jaan, Karimi koja, Maradona koja? :spinface:

Haala shookhi shookhi esmesho maa gozasteem "Asian Maradona". Khob Khomeinio mage Emam nakardeem? Bahaullah ro ham Peyghambar, Ali Daieam aslan khodeh khoda! In teflakiam haala shod Asian Maradona amma heech kodoom az ina ro baavar nakon. :drinking05:

Mardona knew how to use every part of his body, including his hand. Karimi can't even use his brain - lol! :wavetowel2:
I only refer to their resembelence. Their ability to put few players on work
and deliver the ball to a free unmarked player. Her in thi video to khalili.
I think we shouldknow we are not better than Brezil. But at Asias level Karimi
is still remarkable. Shojaei and NN are better players. Best IMOis Zandi.
But I am going to bet you will find Karimi usefull against N.Korea.
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I think even in his out of shape form, he is head and shoulders above anyone else in iran who could play that position.
Raminio jan, if that was the case, even if he couldn't have remained in Bayern, at least he could have remianed in Qatar. But they didn't even want him there! That must tell you something.

But I am going to bet you will find Karimi usefull against N.Korea.
DireStraits jan, Karimi will surely be a little useful against N. Korea if he plays. After all he's a good player for Iranian standards with a lot of experience. But the main point is that we have better players than him at the moment, who could be even more useful against N. Korea.

Comparing to them, Karimi would only slow us down and lose a lot of scoring opportunities for us. (that is IF he plays the way he played in the video above).

Although I'm an Esteghlal guy, Karimi can be very useful for Team Meli especially comming off the bench. If I were the coach I would sub him in when it's like the 70th min of the game. We can use his experience and leadership and he can give us a set of fresh legs comming off the bench.

Sly, IMO this Iranian team has only three good players. NN, Shojaei and Rahmati. Against N.Korea Nikonam is out. If we don't invite Zandi and Karimi N.Koreans will
most likely win most of the balls in the midfield and we will be forced back. I am not facinated in Karimi. But as I said in a competition in Asia he is
useable.
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Raminio jan, if that was the case, even if he couldn't have remained in Bayern, at least he could have remianed in Qatar. But they didn't even want him there! That must tell you something.
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People forget so soon. Karimi was doing good in Bayern and starting over Ze Roberto and even Ballack sometimes before his injury.

There has never been a dispute about Karimis talent. It's just his personality that is his biggest negative. If hes not 100% happy, he doesn't give 100%.

All that said, TM is an exception for him. In every TM game i've seen him play he has put forth maximum effort.

Like i said, the guy is head and shoulders above any other player that we have in that position.

I actually do agree that he will be useful against N. Korea especially if he comes off the bench. These guys are super organized and unless we can mix the game up a bit (by doing something like bringing Karimi in who will change the structure of the game), there's no way we will break their resilient defence with what we have.

Sly, IMO this Iranian team has only three good players. NN, Shojaei and Rahmati. Against N.Korea Nikonam is out. If we don't invite Zandi and Karimi N.Koreans will
most likely win most of the balls in the midfield and we will be forced back. I am not facinated in Karimi. But as I said in a competition in Asia he is
useable.
But NN is a defensive midfielder. That's not Karimi's position. To replace NN, we need a player like Teymourian or Kazemi (if not both will play). In Karimi's position we have already Shojaei. Even Khalatbari (another good player in TM) can play there. If Karimi is invited, there is no way he will accept sitting on the bench either. and I would rather use Shojaei or Khalatbari than Karimi from the start in that position so.... :rolleyes:
But unfortunately, knowing Mayeli Kohan, I think he will start Karimi in that position and Shojaei will be put on the side of the field. Karimi might do ok there and pull afew good passes but still that way we have killed the more effective Shojaei in that position.

Having said that, Karimi, although still far from what he was before, has shown glimpses of his old self in Perspolis recently and if he can raise his game in TM to at least get close to what he was before, I'm all for him starting in Shojaei's position.

People forget so soon. Karimi was doing good in Bayern and starting over Ze Roberto and even Ballack sometimes before his injury.

There has never been a dispute about Karimis talent. It's just his personality that is his biggest negative. If hes not 100% happy, he doesn't give 100%.

All that said, TM is an exception for him. In every TM game i've seen him play he has put forth maximum effort.

Like i said, the guy is head and shoulders above any other player that we have in that position.
Well... then let me remind you that first of all, Karimi never started over Ballack if Ballack was healthy. If he played in his position, it was only because Ballack was injured or had 2 yellow cards. But Karimi did play quite well in Bayern and yes..sometimes he did replace Ze Roberto UNTIL he was injured. After his injury, unfortunately he lost his form and was never the same player. Otherwise, if he was that good, Bayern Munich would have kept him and never let him go. Yes, there has never been a dispute about Karimi's talent but unfortunately that talent is wasted now or else even Qatari clubs (where he enjoyed to be) wouldn't have let him go. (Why that talent is wasted is a whole another discussion).

Second of all, I'm not sure if you have seen every TM game with Karimi. Cause he hasn't really had that many good games in TM since he played in the Croatia friendly before the WC2006. He's been just ok in maybe 1 or 2 games after the WC but other than that he's only been mediocre at best.

But NN is a defensive midfielder. That's not Karimi's position. To replace NN, we need a player like Teymourian or Kazemi (if not both will play). In Karimi's position we have already Shojaei. Even Khalatbari (another good player in TM) can play there. If Karimi is invited, there is no way he will accept sitting on the bench either. and I would rather use Shojaei or Khalatbari than Karimi from the start in that position so.... :rolleyes:
But unfortunately, knowing Mayeli Kohan, I think he will start Karimi in that position and Shojaei will be put on the side of the field. Karimi might do ok there and pull afew good passes but still that way we have killed the more effective Shojaei in that position.

NN was used as offensive midfielder against KSA. He said Daei asked him to do
so but he prefered to play as defensive midfielder. Having said that I think Iran should play with more midfielders than in the past. a 3-5-2 or even a 3-6-1 formation. However if Iran should play 4-4-2 my favorite 4 midfielders will be Khalatbari ----Karimi---Zandi----Kia. I am not happey with Kazemi nor am i so excited about khalatbari. So even if Kazemi should play I would start Karimi instead of khalatbari.
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Sly jaan i don't agree. Karimi has consistently been one of our better players when playing for TM since the Croatia game (thats really not saying much because we have had many many poor team performances), but he is still one of the best footballers in Iran today.

As for the Qatari team not wanting him, who cares??? Perspolis want him and are happy to have him now, and they are a better club than any of the Qatari clubs.

And who says that he was happy in Qatar?

NN was used as offensive midfielder against KSA. He said Daei asked him to do
so but he prefered to play as defensive midfielder. Having said that I think Iran should play with more midfielders than in the past. a 3-5-2 or even a 3-6-1 formation. However if Iran should play 4-4-2 my favorite 4 midfielders will be Khalatbari ----Karimi---Zandi----Kia. I am not happey with Kazemi nor am i so excited about khalatbari. So even if Kazemi should play I would start Karimi instead of khalatbari.

So if we decide to play 4-4-2, you want to play Karimi ahead of Shojaei and Shojaei doesn't even have a place in your team. and also you wont be using any defensive midfielders in your line up. hmmmm....... :rolleyes:

Also if Nekounam played as offensive midfielder against Saudi Arabia, who played the defensive midfielder role? Kazemi alone? Cause Shojaei was playing as a central attacking midfielder. Khalatbari was on the left and Mahdavikia was on the right. So I don't know how we could play NN as an offensive midfielder. Perhaps he played in the middle (more offensive than usual but still not as an offensive midfielder). In any case, in North Korea, we definitly need 2 defensive midfielders. Knowing Mayeli Kohan, there is a big chance he will go back to 3-5-2. Then we will have all of our midfielders including Shojaei , Karimi, Mahdavikia and Khalatbari on the field.

Ps. I don't know how you can say you're not excited about Khalatbari. He's been one of our best players during the games he's played for TM and also he's been one of the biggest contributors to Zobahan's position in IPL today. If anything, he's been in a much better form than Karimi if you count the whole season in general.

As for the Qatari team not wanting him, who cares??? Perspolis want him and are happy to have him now, and they are a better club than any of the Qatari clubs.
and yet perspolis is not top of the league. Perhaps we should use the better midfielders from the teams at top of IPL before Karimi? ;) (e.g. refer to my PS. in my last reply to DireStraits here above).

and yet perspolis is not top of the league. Perhaps we should use the better midfielders from the teams at top of IPL before Karimi? ;) (e.g. refer to my PS. in my last reply to DireStraits here above).

:) That has more to do with club issues rather than Karimi, right Sly jaan?

Do you really think that Shojaei and Khalatbari are more of offensive threats than Karimi?

Do you really think that Shojaei and Khalatbari are more of offensive threats than Karimi?
At this point and time, yeah I do. Shojaei is doing a great job in one of the best leagues in the world. He's facing some of the best players in the world and IMO, he's doing a fantastic job. The fact that he's in a much better form than Karimi, is not even disputable as he's training and playing in a much higher level.

Khalatbari has also shown a great form and efficiency during the whole season, both in Zobahan and TM. Judging by their games, he looks faster and more effective than Karimi. but since he's been among our very best players in the field during the few games that he's played in TM, I'd put my card on him before Karimi.

Look at the video in this very thread for example. Karimi does a fantastic dribbling infront of the goal, making fools out of the defenders. But just by doing that, see how he gives the defenders time to run and reach infront of their goal before he is "forced" to pass the ball to Khalili. Karimi was very lucky Peykan's defenders were aweful, otherwise he would have easily wasted this chance.

But in general there is no questions about Karimi's abilities. Only based on recent form, I'd say Karimi is number 3 after the 2 players I mentioned above. But based on Karimi's form during the rest of the season, I'd say I'd even put him 4:th or 5:th in Iran (if not even lower).

So if we decide to play 4-4-2, you want to play Karimi ahead of Shojaei and Shojaei doesn't even have a place in your team. and also you wont be using any defensive midfielders in your line up. hmmmm....... :rolleyes:.
I say Shojaei should play opfront as a forward. Maybe along with one of Hashemian,Nikbakht, Khalili.
NN could play defensive midfilder with Zandi as offensive.


Also if Nekounam played as offensive midfielder against Saudi Arabia, who played the defensive midfielder role? Kazemi alone?

He said it himself. In 90 program NN said Daei had asked him to play as offensive midfielder but he prefered to play as defensive player.
In fact if you look carefully after KSA coach made those substitutions NN was completly controlled and uneffective. The Saudi coach must have figured out. I think maybe Daei realized that Saudis will do what ever to mark NN. But by starting him in a different position the player whose job was to mark NN will be confused. After the substitution Daei should also have thought of some thing which he didn't. It was then that Saudis won the ball control in the midfield and ran through our goal.

Cause Shojaei was playing as a central attacking midfielder.

In ossasana he has played in offense. Daei claimed he was used that way but
analyse shows he actually was central attacking midfielder.

Khalatbari was on the left and Mahdavikia was on the right. So I don't know how we could play NN as an offensive midfielder.

I say NN should play DM. Against N.Korea NN can not play so mayebe Andranik.

In any case, in North Korea, we definitly need 2 defensive midfielders. Knowing Mayeli Kohan, there is a big chance he will go back to 3-5-2. Then we will have all of our midfielders including Shojaei , Karimi, Mahdavikia and Khalatbari on the field.

That is probebly what he does and frankly I find it right. I think we should
play with more midfielders even 3-6-1. The coach should test who is the best
option in CF and in defense. We can't say from her what is right to do.

Ps. I don't know how you can say you're not excited about Khalatbari. He's been one of our best players during the games he's played for TM and also he's been one of the biggest contributors to Zobahan's position in IPL today. If anything, he's been in a much better form than Karimi if you count the whole season in general.
He is still not mature enough for though games. His long passes are not preciese and he is just a dribbler. Gennerally in tough games you should not relay so much on the teams new players so they get a central role. There may even be things you don't know about your new players.
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At this point and time, yeah I do. Shojaei is doing a great job in one of the best leagues in the world. He's facing some of the best players in the world and IMO, he's doing a fantastic job. The fact that he's in a much better form than Karimi, is not even disputable as he's training and playing in a much higher level.

Khalatbari has also shown a great form and efficiency during the whole season, both in Zobahan and TM. Judging by their games, he looks faster and more effective than Karimi. but since he's been among our very best players in the field during the few games that he's played in TM, I'd put my card on him before Karimi.

Look at the video in this very thread for example. Karimi does a fantastic dribbling infront of the goal, making fools out of the defenders. But just by doing that, see how he gives the defenders time to run and reach infront of their goal before he is "forced" to pass the ball to Khalili. Karimi was very lucky Peykan's defenders were aweful, otherwise he would have easily wasted this chance.

But in general there is no questions about Karimi's abilities. Only based on recent form, I'd say Karimi is number 3 after the 2 players I mentioned above. But based on Karimi's form during the rest of the season, I'd say I'd even put him 4:th or 5:th in Iran (if not even lower).

Where a player plays does not exactly amount to him being a better player. Just look at Riquelme throughout his career.

It seems as if were going to have to agree to disagree on this one.

I say Shojaei should play opfront as a forward. Maybe along with one of Hashemian,Nikbakht, Khalili.
NN could play defensive midfilder with Zandi as offensive.
Hashemian??? :eek: Man, haven't we had enough of this guy already?? I can't believe you still consider him as an option. He can't even score with his head anymore even if his life depended on it, let alone scoring at all.

Also about Shojaei... I don't know... I don't think you should just let a player, play in any position just for the sake of letting him play. Shojaei might be an attacking player but he's definitly not a striker. and I believe he'd be disaster there. For that spot I'd still go with Rezaei (who's scored the most goals in TM since Daei took over) or Borhani and if we were to play with 2 strikers, I'd put a tall striker with good heading ability beside them. Someone like Seyed Salehi or Khalili.

He is still not mature enough for though games. His long passes are not preciese and he is just a dribbler. Gennerally in tough games you should not relay so much on the teams new players so they get a central role. There may even be things you don't know about your new players.
But in one of our toughest games, against Saudi Arabia, he showed to be one of our best???!!! other than a lot of fast runs and creating dangerous situations, he was the one assisting our only goal man!

Where a player plays does not exactly amount to him being a better player. Just look at Riquelme throughout his career.

It seems as if were going to have to agree to disagree on this one.
Ok so let me see... you say Karimi who is fired from Bayern and also even fired from the Qatari club (cause he didn't enjoy it there), is better than Shojaei, who is playing and scoring against some of the best players in the world.

hummm.... yeah, I think you could say we do disagree.

Like i said Sly jaan the club you play for doesn't ALWAYS show how good you are. The time that Karimi was playing at Bayern shojaei was in the UAE, so its pointless to even bring that up. Thats going too far back in history.

BTW, have you watched any full games of Shojaei this season? Even against Athletico (where he had very important moments of brilliance) he was playing poorly for the majority of the game.

Like i said Sly jaan the club you play for doesn't ALWAYS show how good you are. The time that Karimi was playing at Bayern shojaei was in the UAE, so its pointless to even bring that up. Thats going too far back in history.

BTW, have you watched any full games of Shojaei this season? Even against Athletico (where he had very important moments of brilliance) he was playing poorly for the majority of the game.

Well, raminio jan, Karimi played in Bayern alright. But so did Ali Daei and Hashemian. Only because someone played in a big team a long time ago, doesn't make them good today.

Yes, I have seen full games with both Karimi in Perspolis and Shojaei in Osasuna this season. It's funny you say Shojaei had moments of brilliance but he was playing poorly for the majority of the game. Cause that's exactly what I think about most of Karimi's games in Perspolis this season. Again the difference is, Karimi "of today" is having his moments of brilliance against Peykan's defenders while Shojaei is having them against the likes of Raul and Messi.

If you look at this Perspolis-Peykan video again, you can really say "at times", it does really matter where you are playing and against what teams!

Well, raminio jan, Karimi played in Bayern alright. But so did Ali Daei and Hashemian. Only because someone played in a big team a long time ago, doesn't make them good today.

Yes, I have seen full games with both Karimi in Perspolis and Shojaei in Osasuna this season. It's funny you say Shojaei had moments of brilliance but he was playing poorly for the majority of the game. Cause that's exactly what I think about most of Karimi's games in Perspolis this season. Again the difference is, Karimi is having his moments of brilliance against Peykan's defenders while Shojaei is having them against the likes of Raul and Messi.

If you look at this Perspolis-Peykan video again, you can really say "at times", it does really matter where you are playing and against what teams and whom!

Again, just because Karimi isn't having these moments of brilliance against La Liga players does not mean that he is not capable of doing so. Karimi is a homebody. He's emotional and wants to be around friends and family in Iran.

If Karimi was playing at Osasuna, he wouldn't have any problems dismantling Pablo like Shojaei did.

Now i don't want it to seem as if I'm putting Shojaei down. He is a great player and an even bigger prospect, but he still has many levels of immaturity in his game that cost us big. If you've been paying attention, you should know for example that Shojaei has a very large turnover rate, at times in very dangerous places.

Shojaei will never ever become what Karimi was at his age (let alone what Karimi could have become if he picked the right club and league in Europe).

However, if Karimi of today would have been as good as Shojaei if he played in Osasuna, then in that case, he should have been much much better in IPL than what he has been so far, since his opponents are much weaker. But in fact, I think Shojaei in Osasuna plays better than Karimi does in Perspolis. That should tell you something.

Shojaei will never ever become what Karimi was at his age (let alone what Karimi could have become if he picked the right club and league in Europe).

However, if Karimi of today would have been as good as Shojaei if he played in Osasuna, then in that case, he should have been much much better in IPL than what he has been so far, since his opponents are much weaker. But in fact, I think Shojaei in Osasuna plays better than Karimi does in Perspolis. That should tell you something.

Yeah, but you're making it seem as if dribbling players and dominating matches in IPL is easy. That's something Shojaei himself never did consistently. Even for Osasuna, his numbers are useful for the kind of club he is in (fighting relegation), but 2 goals and a handful of assists for a whole season is actually not a good return for a playmaker/forward.

Shojaei will never ever become what Karimi was at his age (let alone what Karimi could have become if he picked the right club and league in Europe).

However, if Karimi of today would have been as good as Shojaei if he played in Osasuna, then in that case, he should have been much much better in IPL than what he has been so far, since his opponents are much weaker. But in fact, I think Shojaei in Osasuna plays better than Karimi does in Perspolis. That should tell you something.

this is where you and i disagree

Yeah, but you're making it seem as if dribbling players and dominating matches in IPL is easy. That's something Shojaei himself never did consistently. Even for Osasuna, his numbers are useful for the kind of club he is in (fighting relegation), but 2 goals and a handful of assists for a whole season is actually not a good return for a playmaker/forward.
As far as Karimi goes, to dribble 5 players, is not really the base of being useful in today's football, let alone dominating matches. Also we shouldn't forget he's playing for the top 5 team in IPL. IMO, Shojaei was not even among our best players when he played in IPL and UAE. But his time in La liga has apparently thought him a thing or two. 2 goals and a handful of assists for playing in a team like Osasuna (fighting relegation), and in many games playing as a SUB in your very first year in Europe, IMO is more than ok in sucha difficult league. and the season is not over yet.

this is where you and i disagree

Perhaps, but even if in Perspolis, Karimi played at least as good as Shojaei played in Osasuna, that should still tell you something.

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Karimi is gifted.
His dribbling skill is only 10% of what he does for any team. He is a great playmaker and knows one touch football better than anybody else in iran.

Karimi is gifted.
His dribbling skill is only 10% of what he does for any team. He is a great playmaker and knows one touch football better than anybody else in iran.

thats the thing. I think that he is top 3 (if not #1) as far as vision. The guy just makes some clinically perfect passes.