This is a very long speech by Kadivar. I have watched the first 5 clips so far. They are all very good. But if you don't have time watch this one.
YouTube - Kadivar Day 40 Green Iranian Martyrs Mem (5 of 12) کدیور چهلم شهدای سبز

WOW! That is a very interesting speech Pedram jaan. Thank you for sharing. For those of you who don't know who Kadivar is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohsen_Kadivar

wow....this guy gotta be the bravest akhond ever...

ah..i just found out hes in california...its not exciting no more..hehe :O)

I just finished watching all 12 parts. He is definitely an intelligent speaker and his views are much more moderate than the ruling party. In one of the parts he says that he's going back to Iran. This speech is from 4 days ago, so I'm not sure if he has already returned, but I'm certain he will be arrested on the spot.

He was in DC last week. I think he is doing a tour in the US.

Although I don’t agree with some of his comments, specially his subtle praising of emamh jahel for instance, as he usually refers to him as “Emam” or “Marhoom” but all in all it good to see one roshanfekr akhoond for every 10,000 olaghs residing in Qom.

I've been to couple of his speeches and think he is good person. He is the type of akhoond that we will need in the future to replace the current old farts and revise their logic and thought process, a Martin Luther of some sort.

Although I don’t agree with some of his comments, specially his subtle praising of emamh jahel for instance,
R.T jAn,
That probably has something to do with "Teacher Student" relationship. I believe he has studied under Jahel's teachings for some time.

Rasoul jan, I think he is too young to have been EJ student, he mentioned Montazri as being his ostad a couple of times. Hence the reason for his problems with I.S.

Yeah, according to the Wiki article he is one of Montazeri's proteges. At the end of the day, I think he has a point about 60% of the Iranian population being sonnati and looking at things realistically - particularly the pace of reform through the Green movement. Having said that, I think a good percentage of the demonstrators are now demanding changes that are way beyond the capabilities of the Green movement, even if it was given some room to manouver.

I saw a clip of this speech in another forum so i will post exactly the same reply i did there: (removing the strong language)

IMHO;

Az een akhound haa kos khesh tar khodeshoon hastan.

midoonan kashti daareh ghargh misheh mikhaan ghayegh nejaat reserve konan.

Een lebaas e akhoundi === khiaayanat be har doooneh irani ke az 1400 saal pish koshteh shodeh be daste arab haa va irani haaye dayoos e mosalmoon. If u need a visual solution please look at my avatar. That is a solution to our long term running problem that no fucking peace movement would provide. May it be green, purple or yashmi ye khal khal pashmi.

What did Babak e khoramdin do, what did Hassan E sabaah, and what did Sardaar e Tonkaaboni do; tickle these mother fuckers to deah. NO.

When they have guns; rape 17 year old girls and then burn their bodies to hide the evidence; YOU FUCKING ANNIHILATE THEM.

Keyvan jan,
I am glad you removed the strong language. :NoTooth:
When I posted the clip I didn't mean to promote him and his likes to replace the current regime. It is inevitable that even if people of Iran select a secular regime with no Akhoonds in the government, still some of the Iranians are going to have belief in akhoonds. It is good to have people like him help out those people.

He says very nice things. But Khomeni said very nice things too before the revolution.

You can't trust any of these akhounds. Wolves in sheep clothing.

Keyvan jan,
I am glad you removed the strong language. :NoTooth:
When I posted the clip I didn't mean to promote him and his likes to replace the current regime. It is inevitable that even if people of Iran select a secular regime with no Akhoonds in the government, still some of the Iranians are going to have belief in akhoonds. It is good to have people like him help out those people.

Akound infstructure is like any other business. I mean, in this day and age when businesses are going down dime a dozen we are familiar with the situation.

They are trying to salvage this business at the risk of huge lay-offs and re structuring but the Essence is the same.

Extract money out of people so they can "khordan o khabidan" all their lives. If someone can tell me ONE, JUST A ONE, useful thing that an akhound does in the course of his treacherous life then i guess we have some sort of starting point.

I don't think band aid solutions will be applicable to a wide gushing open wound anymore. We have tried secularism, we have tried shit-e dictatorship and we have tried constitutional monarchy slash dictatorship.

Now its time for a National Democratic Federal Republic of Iran. All these words are important; National, Democratic, Federal, Rebpulic;

To me it seems like a dream with the amount of ignorance we still have in Iran but still cannot blame one for dreaming

(removing the strong language)


LOL. Kam paydayee dadash Keyvan. Everything going well with the promotion and doing well I hope.

The way I see the akhound issue is that we're stuck with them, at least for the next few decades, no matter what. Even if we had a choice to remove them completely from the political scene in Iran, they would still lurke in moques and enjoy some level of support from these "sonnati" families who form a good percentage of the Iranian population.

Realistcially, the best we can do in three to four decades' time is to form a religous city state like Vatican and begin to minimize their influence through education and promoting milder and more modern interpretations of Islam. For example, there is only one passage in the Quran about Hejab and it can very well be translated as women covering their bossoms and private areas. Frankly, I can live with not having topless or nude beaches in Iran for the next few dacades! But to expect that we can completely irradicate them, beyond what a fully democratic and secular country like Italy, is a bit over-optimistic IMHO.

So, the question at this juncture in time becomes (and for once we have to outsmart akhunds in this area) whether some of them are able to help us down that path. Are there akhunds like Kadivar or Khatami for example, who don't find the issue of hejab mandatory? Are there akhunds who have an understanding of economic and democratic principles? The answer is yes and I don't think by alienating these guys, at this point in time, we're doing any of us a favor. Don't forget, many of these guys have been jailed both in Shah's time and during the IR (including Kadivar) asking for these freedoms and democratic principles. Are they less "Iranian" or love Iran any less than someone like Reza Pahlavi who was pampered through his childhood and has sat on his ass for the last 30 years? I have a difficult time to answer "yes" to that question in good conscience.

I think we have to give some credit when credit is due. In the abcense of any form of solid and realitic leadership inside Iran (which would not be able to go over the clergys' heads at this point any way) or outside Iran, we're going to have to look for smaller steps, at least as an alternate to a possible and decisive success on the streets IMHO. All of us want the big steps and the quick changes, but to say it's all or nothing at this point, the water doesn't hit my eye that we will be successful in achieving the results we so desire.

Keyvan jan,
I am glad you removed the strong language. :NoTooth:

LOOL

Keyvan jan, I don’t think anyone is promoting Kadivar or any other akhoond to replace the current regime or have any role in the future of Iran. The fact of the matter is that for what it’s worth, we still have a quite a few people that will follow the clergy as a source of inspiration and guidance.

I think its very important and beneficial for our country in the long term that we (Iranian people) support the new generation of akhoonds (likes of Kadivar) to replace the closed minded old farts to promote and spread a new way of thinking among religious people. I personally like to see someone like Kadivar educating or training new generation of clergy than some MF like Mesbah.

By the way, good post Behrou jan.

LOL. Kam paydayee dadash Keyvan. Everything going well with the promotion and doing well I hope.

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chakereem, promotion ro ghabool nemikardam behtar bood. Maadar folan haa har rooz maaro to 7, 8 negah midaaran sareh kaar.

koonam az een misoozeh ke nemitoonam een karhaa ro baraaye mardom e khodemoon bokonam.

aside from that and a couple of demonstrations all quiet on the western front (or i should say compare to you on the eastern front)

That's North America for you - slavery with a few unions! And the Quebecers are actually more laid back than Torontonians - not to mention that our 2 month old garabage is now sitting on the sidewalk and they still haven't picked it up!

If you ask me, the only thing promotions are good for is to put the new tittle on your resume (or CV as you guys call it up there ;)) and look for a new job with shorter hours, better pay, more benefits and less responsibilities. Why don't you give that a try? You never know.

... look for a new job with shorter hours, better pay, more benefits and less responsibilities.

Behrou jan,

You even convinced me....can I send you my resume? :NoTooth:

Behrou jan,
You even convinced me....can I send you my resume? :NoTooth:

What, what, it worked for me. ;) Although I should mention that I deal on a regular basis with engineers and consultants whose wives don't put out and have to take it out on me the next day. But overall, it has been good - plus I know where all the desparate housewives live! ;)

That's North America for you - slavery with a few unions! And the Quebecers are actually more laid back than Torontonians - not to mention that our 2 month old garabage is now sitting on the sidewalk and they still haven't picked it up!

If you ask me, the only thing promotions are good for is to put the new tittle on your resume (or CV as you guys call it up there ;)) and look for a new job with shorter hours, better pay, more benefits and less responsibilities. Why don't you give that a try? You never know.

I did.

To sell coconuts on the beach. They turned me down.

What, what, it worked for me. ;) Although I should mention that I deal on a regular basis with engineers and consultants whose wives don't put out and have to take it out on me the next day. But overall, it has been good - plus I know where all the desparate housewives live! ;)

LOL :DrEvil:

Baz ham az Kadivar:
YouTube - Dr. Mohsen Kadivar at Austin - "ویروس استبداد Despotism Virus" 1/13

This part is going to bring about some heated discussion:
YouTube - Dr. Mohsen Kadivar at Austin - "ویروس استبداد Despotism Virus" 2/13

Make sure you listen to this part.
YouTube - Dr. Mohsen Kadivar at Austin - "Despotism Virus" 11/13

Pedram jan, with all these Kadivar videos, one might think you are becoming a Kadivar groupie. :Notooth2: :chekerim:

Pedram jan, with all these Kadivar videos, one might think you are becoming a Kadivar groupie. :Notooth2: :chekerim:

And you were the one trying to get me to go to his speech in DC. :NoTooth:

LOL @ coconuts and Pedram. Maybe he wants you to be a groupie Pedram jaan! ;)

Did I miss something? Since when RT changed his name to coconuts?

And you were the one trying to get me to go to his speech in DC. :NoTooth:
LOL

Behrou jan, kodom coconuts?

LMAO. I meant K1's selling coconuts on the beach. :)