Well guys, I've been trying to come up with something inspirational to prop up our mortal remains. Iran missed out on the WC and as if that wasn't enough to ruin the next 4 years, we got stuck with AN for that period! :meditate:

So, what are our prospects as a nation? Do we have any? For a little while and just in this thread, let's ASSUME that the future of Iran and its present direction laid solely on YOUR shoulders. You are a leader with a vision for your people. To best represent them, you have to obviously understand their needs and their desires. Knowing everything that you know about Iran and Iranians, what would be your vision as that leaser? How would you go about selling this vision to your people? Do you distribue responsibilities among a trusted circle, or share it with strangers? Do you feel that you have to be more authoritarian to get the job done or instill a trong team mentality? What would be required to go from where we are today, to that vision of yours? Is it realistic? The list of questions obviously goes on and each one of us will surely have different answers to those questions.

I like to know your thoughts, your dreams, your vision, your aspirations for your country as that leader. ASSUME for one minute that you are that GREAT man who will lead this nation to bigger and better things. Write what your little heart desires - that's why I called it "Darde Del" although "Harfe Del" would probably be more accurate. There are no rules on what you can or should say. There are no right or wrongs abd my only request is that we completely keep negativity out of this thread. Let's not talk about what hasn't worked and what doesn't work, but rather how it can and should work. I hope you agree that a few dozen people - whose collective presence is worlds above the AVERAGE Iranian population - should be able to "define" an idealistic scenario, maintaning as much realism as possible of course, before we can expect a nation of so much diversity to do it on a much grander scale. If we can not create a pseudo-fantasy HERE, without many of the limitations of the real world, are we submitting that we are all stuck in this nightmare for all eternity? I sure hope not.

If we can't shoulder some of the weight of this suffering nation, how can we in good conscience sit on our bottoms and expect someone else to do it? So gentlemen, start your engines and let's hear you roar!

I disagree with the core of a "Great Leader". That is where most of our problems start.
We always pick a leader then over glorify and praise him all the way beyond sanctity (during past 75 years we had 3 Leaders, one was Khodaygan and the other 2 represented God on the earth pffff!!), watch him step on all the rules and functional norms of our society then we just sit there and watch a full blown dictatorship take shape.
Then we get together and talk about how we can revolt again and have many citizens murdered for liberty.
IMHO There should not be a great leader, just leaders elected by people who will absolutely follow the desire of the people one step behind them and not a mm in front.
Many people claim "Power corrupts" but the wiseman says "Power attracts corruptible".
I'll get back to you for the rest.

Rasoul jaan, by using the phrase "great leader", I wasn't implying that he has to be a "supreme ruler" rather than the elected representative of the people. In a democratic society, if that's what your vision focuses on, that elected representative would obviously need to demonstrate "leadership" qualities, most likely "lead" his/her political, party and once elected he/she will "lead" the entire nation. I was only trying to keep the parameters for the discussion to a minimum, hoping that each person would define what the word "leader" means to them. Does that make more sense?

Rasoul jaan, by using the phrase "great leader", I wasn't implying that he has to be a "supreme ruler" rather than the elected representative of the people. In a democratic society, if that's what your vision focuses on, that elected representative would obviously need to demonstrate "leadership" qualities, most likely "lead" his/her political, party and once elected he/she will "lead" the entire nation. I was only trying to keep the parameters for the discussion to a minimum, hoping that each person would define what the word "leader" means to them. Does that make more sense?
Mr, G.

Yes it does!!
My respond was more of a knee jerking in my part, even though you clearly mentioned "No negativity".

chaakerim

LOL. That's hardly negativity Rasoul jaan, if it has helped us move even one small step forward. I do look forward to hearing your views as well others on how where we can go from here. You had mentioned to me at some point for example that a few changes in Iran's current constitution may be satisfactory to many people. Although, attaining that goal may not be easy in itself, it sure seems a lot easier than "regime change" and I personally think that the removal of VF from the constitution is a HUGE step forward for Iran and Iranians and a realistic goal for the next couple of years. What are your thoughts on the feasibility of this one item for example and are there other sections that you'd like to see modified? Are we Iranians able, do you think, to rally behind this idea in diaspora and inside Iran in conjunction with the Green movement to push for this major change? It would seem to me that it would be a whole lot easier to win a well planned battle than to win the war - without even having defined the goals.

Mr, G.
I'm still working on the general idea but concerning V. Vaghih it is easier than you think.
Make it as an assembly of 10 instead of 1 corruptible body, limit their executive power and make them more like an observer institution who will be a watchdog looking over legislators not to breach constitution by implementing specific law which might violate the core of the supreme law.
Basically assemble a supreme court and call it what ever is appropriate for Iran.

Very interesting proposition Rasoul jaan. Distributing that type of power among 10 people would certainly limit the possibility of this entity going astray, not to mention that it would enable it to make much better and more balanced decisions. In this vision, would these individuals be elected to this role by the people or Khebregan? Would they have a set term (4 years for example)? Would they still have some executive power(s) over the president? I think you're on to something really good and you are absolutely correct. It would be a lot easier to convince MANY people (including Khamenei) to SHARE power with others, rather than surrender it to another. This is the best and most realistic idea I've seen so far and as you know, I'm actually reading dozens of English and Farsi (took your adivce on that for improving my Persian) articles and commentaries everyday. I'd love to hear more on this. Do you know of any individuals or groups pursuing this line of thinking for example? What would be stopping us from doing it?

Good post Behrou jan, as usual. ;)

I believe our prospects for future looks bright! Although we are facing a ruthless adversary and various setbacks but I think in-time things will change for better. My vision is to continue awakening the masses, I believe that to be the best weapon we have got. After start of green movement, I don’t think I.S. can add any more new support base or even recruits, but the movement can and will chip away support base (ordinary people) from AN/SB/IS.

How I would go about selling my vision to awaken the support base and passive observers you ask? Well, every Iranian should work within their circle of family and friends to convey a peaceful message of green movement without alienating Islam or even I.S. (at least for the time being) to regain the momentum and move the masses forward.

I am no leader nor do I poses any charismatic qualities by any stretch of imagination but I do believe (as I have talked with numerous people in Iran) informing people of what’s going on Iran should be the number one priority. You’ll be surprised to find out that all kinds of misinformation is floating around in suburban areas that prevents ordinary, less educated, simple minded Iranians’ to understand the magnitude of what is happening in the country.

I strongly believe, once the masses within lower social and economical sector gets involved the change we all are seeking will come in due time…

Having said this, I don’t necessarily believe in having a symbolic or otherwise “leader”, in due time people inside will follow the movement and not necessarily an individual.

Thanx for the insight R.T jAn.

Mr, G.
I'm thinking more of a similar institution to USSC.
They don't have to be Vaghih (jurist) at all, they all need to be the men and Women of Law, people who have spent life long time in Law related societies, be a great judge or a well known professor of a law school.
But instead of mimicking USSC word by word we can let Judiciary branch of the nation nominate them and vote of confidence from Parliament and they get appointed for 12 years instead of the life time like the USSC.
This institution will also eliminate the need for Expediency, Guardian Councils and Assembly of Experts all together.
But IMHO it is better to keep the Supreme National Security Council which encompasses all 3 branches of the government as well as Supreme Court on major decision making like declaration of war and/or Peace with another nation.

I haven't fogotten about this thread gentleman. Been giving it some thought and I wanted to just get the thought process going for now. I'm sure we'll talk about this in detail and in person in a couple of weeks - hopefully over a couple of beer towers! ;)