View Full Version : Montazeri Calls the IR a "dictatorship"


Bi-Honar
08-26-2009, 11:26 PM
This guy's got some serious balls, that's for sure! :Oldguy:


Senior Iranian cleric calls system a dictatorship

By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press

TEHRAN, Iran – Iran's most senior dissident cleric on Wednesday criticized the ruling system under Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei as a dictatorship in the name of Islam, the most serious attack on the country's top official following the disputed presidential election.

Grand Ayatollah Hossein Ali Montazeri said the ruling system showed its true nature with the violent crackdown against the hundreds of thousands who protested President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's re-election and the torture of detainees that led to at least three deaths. "The biggest oppression ... is despotic treatment of the people in the name of Islam," Montazeri said in a written response to some 300 activists that was posted on his Web site. "I hope the responsible authorities give up the deviant path they are pursuing and restore the trampled rights of the people."

Montazeri's comments are significant because although criticism of ruling figures has increased following the June election, which the opposition claims was stolen through vote fraud, public attacks against Khamenei are rare. Montazeri's opinion carries weight because the 87-year-old cleric was once tapped to succeed the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini as Iran's supreme leader. He was denied the post in the late 1980s because of his criticism of the excesses of the ruling system and his differences with Khomeini.

The turmoil following the presidential election has presented the current supreme leader, Khamenei, with the most serious challenge to the country's cleric-led system since the 1979 Islamic Revolution. Khamenei and other hard-liners have attempted to paint the post-election turmoil as a plot by Iran's foreign enemies to overthrow the country's Islamic system through a "velvet revolution." The government is holding a mass trial of more than 100 political activists and protesters who it claims provoked the mass demonstrations. The opposition has called the trial a "sham," and Montazeri said it has "ridiculed Islamic justice."

"I hope authorities ... have the courage to announce that this ruling system is neither a republic nor Islamic and that nobody has the right to express opinion or criticism," said Montazeri. The government has confirmed that at least 30 people were killed in the post-election crackdown, but the opposition says at least 69 died and many more were tortured in prison. The abuse of detainees has also prompted criticism from conservatives, complicating Khamenei's efforts to end the turmoil.

Montazeri has called for curtailing the powers of Khamenei, who has the final say on all state matters and is considered by hard-liners to be answerable only to God. The dissident cleric spent five years under house arrest after saying in 1997 that Khamenei wasn't qualified to rule. The punishment has not silenced Montazeri, who has repeatedly said that the freedom that was promised after the Islamic revolution never materialized. Montazeri is one of just a few grand ayatollahs, the most senior theologians of the Shiite Muslim faith. But after he was placed under house arrest, state-run media stopped referring to Montazeri by his religious title, describing him instead as a "simple-minded" cleric.

raminIC
08-26-2009, 11:35 PM
for some reason they just can't touch this guy.

Bi-Honar
08-26-2009, 11:55 PM
Well, there aren't that many grand ayatolahs Ramin jaan, but I doubt they will let him carry on like this. At the end of the day though, if they do anything to him, they're only undermining clergy and their own positions (i.e. if a grand ayatolah can go bad, what's to be expected of the loe level dudes!).

Sly
08-27-2009, 03:35 AM
for some reason they just can't touch this guy.

or they just don't care about him. He's been criticizing them left and right for more than 20 years now, without any effect. So why would they bother now? :rolleyes:

On the contrary to the article, I doubt his opinion carries much weight at all. "After all, he was the one who even emam put aside"!

raminIC
08-27-2009, 05:51 PM
ali jaan i tend to agree with behrou on this. he was the one that the emam put aside but he was also the one who was supposed to succeed his thrown.

Toofan
08-27-2009, 07:19 PM
nice wall :)

Abedzaadeh
08-27-2009, 08:47 PM
I agree with Sly..

I think Montazeri has been at it for years and years (even during khatami's rea),but it never carried any weight...

Bi-Honar
08-27-2009, 11:43 PM
Ali & Abed jaan, that was then and this is now. The voice of dissent among the ranks was never so loud. No one would have gone to Montazeri at that time and said, come on, we have enough support for you to replace Khamenei. Now, anything's a possibility. Rafi can not challenge Khamenei, but if people start rallying up behind Montazeri, Nacho Grande will be a dish of the past.

Let me use an analogy to get my point across... Say there's a huge mountain. If you start walking away from it, at some point the mountiain will disappear below the horizon, regardless of how big it is. That does not mean the mountain, its presence, grandure and degree of influence has deminished - it just means that it's no longer visible or within the reach of any of the other senses. Once you start walking back toward that same horizon, the mountain will once again become visible. It's size will grow the more you walk and its grandure becomes more apparent as you get closer. Montazeri is that mountain and the people of Iran (at least the infuencial ones, be it politically or financially) are walking that huge valley between Montazeri on the one side and Khamenei on the other side.

How many articles have you seen about Montazeri in the past decade? Does it even come close to how much exposure he's getting now, even in international media? That's definitely something to consider, not just for us, but the likes of AN & Khamenei. Remember, Khomeini for most parts was just an exiled dude not too many people were paying attention to. He suddenly came out of no where and took most people by surprise. As Ramezanzadeh said in his now famous speech, shortly before he got arrested, the more you press a spring the harder and faster it will spring back once you can't maintain the pressure any more.

PJ
08-27-2009, 11:56 PM
With the current status of rape and killings being in all media, even in their own media, the last thing this regime can afford is killing a Grand Ayatollah, or even confronting him (that would give him more publicity). They have realized that their initial plot of creating fear in people has failed and they have switched to mAstmali kardan. They think with mastmali they can get away with it. So, they are in mastmali mode. It would be interesting to see what they will do when their mastmali tactics fail.

raminIC
08-28-2009, 12:11 AM
pedram oon gadr mastmali mastmali kardi ke maa gorasnamoon shod.

PJ
08-28-2009, 12:23 AM
Ramin jan, boro yek masti bekhor ba'd shekamet ro bemal.
Sorry, I should have read the whole thing once before posting it. After editing it a few times I left too many of that word in there.
:NoTooth:

raminIC
08-28-2009, 12:39 AM
i actually think that i'm gonna have some mastmooseer tonight. chak

PJ
08-28-2009, 12:43 AM
Any type of mast works. Just don't forget the mAlesh after eating it.

raminIC
08-28-2009, 01:22 AM
Any type of mast works. Just don't forget the mAlesh after eating it.

i'll have someone else take care of that part for me

Bi-Honar
08-28-2009, 01:36 AM
Any type of mast works. Just don't forget the mAlesh after eating it.

Sure, sure. You're one bro short of "Baradarane Akhavaan"!!! :mf_boobies: