Ladies and gentlemen,

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I have just noticed that in all my emails to the members that I invited from ISP to here and also the email I got originally from B-Honar, the link to our side, has been edited to :

www.toysrus.com


LOOOOOOLLLLL, Can this be really true ??

Yeah I think they can, bt if they did this than thats really low, really low.

Edit: I checked and sure enough they did change the links, Really really low.

Maybe if you just spell the site like this t h e i r a n i an f o r u m s dot c o m they won't change it bc then it isn't really a link to another forum, but if they did this they might do that too. Shame on them.

Hahahhaha I got banned, lol. I didn't even do anything but accept an invititation, weak of ISP, very weak.

That is quite sad, I was posting there at the same time and this was no knock on them. One could actually look at this place and its formation as a sign of respect for ISP rules as none of us wanted to break it but also wanted an enviroment that can allow us to share our views and exchange ideas more freely !!!!

same here, I was just banned too !!!!
Oh, well, Good luck to all our firends over their and hope one day, we can express our views more openly and be able to HAVE multiple platforms to voice our views and concerns :)

They have done something very foolish bc if all the guys that signed in here would get banned a lot of other guys at ISP will question it. I don't think we have done anything wrong bc its not like we are limited to ISP only, there are people on IK, PFDC etc etc who are on ISP too, we can go to all the forums we like, I think they showed exactly why they were getting worse, intolerance is a bitch. And like you I was still posting there, bc I didn't want I didn't have anything against them and I only came here bc of their intolerance against others and power abuse against other. Anyway, I taught they might do it, I hoped they were better than that.

Kasera Jan, maybe they did not like the way we used ISP to tell some of firends via private message about this little gathering place !!

I can sort of understand that but this could have been handeled like adult and much more profesionally through sending a PM and asking us to NOT do that instead of going and making the link toysrus.com and banning us !!!

I be curious who else is going to be banned and whose desicion was this :)

Strange thing, I viewed the site as a guest and I wasn't shown as being banned (neither was u Shahin), altough I am. Isp is trying to keep other members from asking questions I guess.

Strange thing, I viewed the site as a guest and I wasn't shown as being banned (neither was u Shahin), altough I am. Isp is trying to keep other members from asking questions I guess.

Damn, its hard to believe you guys are getting banned. :girl_devil:

Not to worry, we will slowly build a nice, fun and very expressive hang out for all to visit and enjoy.

By the way, when I got banned a few months ago, I was able to login, post but after I logged off, everything vanished!!!!!:laser:

It is really not that big of deal Arti Jan.

I think they are banning the people who used the PM to invite others to this site. I have not invite anyone and I am not banned.
I think that makes sense. They see this as a business and they don't want anyone to use their site to advertise another site. I think if we want to invite people we should email them instead of PM. We should probably consider advertising on one of Iranian web sites like gooya.com. That might help increase our member base.

I think they are banning the people who used the PM to invite others to this site. I have not invite anyone and I am not banned.
I think that makes sense. They see this as a business and they don't want anyone to use their site to advertise another site. I think if we want to invite people we should email them instead of PM. We should probably consider advertising on one of Iranian web sites like gooya.com. That might help increase our member base.

As I mentioned as well, It was not like we are taking advertisement away from them or send a mass email to all their members and asked them to join :) I think I invited 7-8 people who I thought might enjoy this board.

Anyway, who really cares :)

As I mentioned as well, It was not like we are taking advertisement away from them or send a mass email to all their members and asked them to join :) I think I invited 7-8 people who I thought might enjoy this board.

Anyway, who really cares :)

I know Shahin jan. They probably don't know your intentions and see this site as their competition. Hopefully we don't have to put up with them any longer.
:praying:

I know Shahin jan. They probably don't know your intentions and see this site as their competition. Hopefully we don't have to put up with them any longer.
:praying:

Indeed, Doste Aziz.

Shahin and Kaesra jaan, would you like me to contact the ISP admin to see why they didn't just tell you to stop using PM to get their members to sign up here?

Thats the thing I didn't even invite ANYONE. Doesnt matter tough, if they did read my PM's in their totallity they wouldn't jump to cunclusions and see that I didn't insult or anything, I was respectfull to ISP. Anyway if they are like this then I don't think I want to go there anymore, I was just suprised bc I haven't been banned before and bc I didnt invite anyone. I do want to know what the reason was bc I haven't got one yet. And why dont they show my acount as being banned to others ? What are they affraid of ?

Wow, I thought I had seen it all, but I guess not! I have also been banned and heard that www.theiranianforums.com was replaced by www.toysrus.com.

I personally think that it's a serious invasion of privacy to go into "Private" messaging and change things around or to punish people for saying things through a private channel. IMHO, this is no different than the state listening-in on one's private telephone conversations without a warrant and then excuting that person without a trial.

Pedram jaan, I like the idea of advertising on other sites. Does anyone have details on costs, etc.?

Shahin and Kaesra jaan, would you like me to contact the ISP admin to see why they didn't just tell you to stop using PM to get their members to sign up here?
Thanks for the offer but it is quite all right. I am not planing to use that site anymore :). Now, it gives me more time to do other stuff.

I think that's a serious invasion of privacy to go into "Private" messaging and change things around or to punish people for saying things through a private channel.

It is indeed a serious invasion of privacy. I would love to know whose idea was this though :)

Well, it looks like ISP just lost a lot of good members.

[Thanks Ramin jaan for considering the 3 of us good members. :) Just to let you guys know, I can't even log onto the forums as a guest. My IP address must have been blacklisted, so please be careful if you like to continue viewing pages or posting on both sites. We certainly have no problems with that.

P.S. I have made the forums visible to guests and unregistered users, so that people can take a look and see if they like the site, before they decide to sign up. Is everyone okay with that?

Guys, lets not jump into conclusion without knowing all the facts. If people have been banned because of inviting their friends, then that is not only invasion of privacy but very uncool thing to do.

Anyway, no need to send emails, complain, etc. Life goes on....let's build this site so we have a new home to hang out.

[Thanks Ramin jaan for considering the 3 of us good members. :) Just to let you guys know, I can't even log onto the forums as a guest. My IP address must have been blacklisted, so please be careful if you like to continue viewing pages or posting on both sites. We certainly have no problems with that.

P.S. I have made the forums visible to guests and unregistered users, so that people can take a look and see if they like the site, before they decide to sign up. Is everyone okay with that?

If you want to keep watching ISP you can cloak your IP. I wonder why we aren't shown as being banned and why I haven't got the reason for my banning.

And I wondered why guests weren't allowed to view our site anyway.

Yeah I think they can, bt if they did this than thats really low, really low.

Edit: I checked and sure enough they did change the links, Really really low.

Maybe if you just spell the site like this t h e i r a n i an f o r u m s dot c o m they won't change it bc then it isn't really a link to another forum, but if they did this they might do that too. Shame on them.

Agreed that is very low of ISP if they did that. I think soon enough more and more people will join this website and I think we have an opportunity to do something really special here.

Maybe its smart for you guys who havent been banned to delete your PM's concerning this site, I dont want to see other guys banned as well for comming here.

So are Kasra, Shahin and I considered martyrs or what?! ;)

So are Kasra, PJ and I considered martyrs or what?! ;)

LOOL, I guess that would make me the original martyr. :showass5:
Just between us, there has been no sign of those 72 virgins yet...I am begining to think that the 72 virgin thingy is nothing more than a myth. :wavetowel2:

LMAO. I think in that scenario, you'd at least be an Emam Hamid jaan and if you haven't seen a sign of any virgins, khoda be maa rahm koneh! :praying:

LOOL, I guess that would make me the original martyr. :showass5:
Just between us, there has been no sign of those 72 virgins yet...I am begining to think that the 72 virgin thingy is nothing more than a myth. :wavetowel2:

LOOOOL you are looking for that 72 aren't you ?
Now, man yek soale Sharei dashtam ( ey kash general inja bod), agar yek Kafar shahid besheh, aya on ham 72 virgine migireh ya na ??!!! chon age na ke sare man bad jor kolah raft :)

weird, my ip isn't banned anymore, dont know about my account tough .

Edit:weird, Im not even banned anylonger ? I didn't get the ban but I dont get the lift either. :confused: :spinface:

weird, my ip isn't banned anymore, dont know about my account tough .

Edit:weird, Im not even banned anylonger ? I didn't get the ban but I dont get the lift either. :confused: :spinface:


Looks like someone screwed you over on the 72 virgins Kastra jaan! :laser: If you want to have a happy sex life, I suggest you get banned again! :boobs2:

LOL yeah the probably read the posts of you guys and then considered banning me wasn't enough punishment. I have sent a PM to ALI(ISP) who is a admin to see why I got banned, I wont post untill I get a reason, I could start a riot but I am not really like that and I dont think I really could start one :D Maybe they made a mistake and will ban me when they get the pm, I dont get why there isn't any Mods online there either, I want an Answer, the banning is weird but this is even weirder.

LOL yeah the probably read the posts of you guys and then considered banning me wasn't enough punishment. I have sent a PM to ALI(ISP) who is a admin to see why I got banned, I wont post untill I get a reason, I could start a riot but I am not really like that and I dont think I really could start one :D Maybe they made a mistake and will ban me when they get the pm, I dont get why there isn't any Mods online there either, I want an Answer, the banning is weird but this is even weirder.

Bro don't hold your breath I gave a PM to Ali asking why did I get banned for six months on a first time offense? Everyone was attacking me left and right for joining the US Navy calling me every name in the book and nobody got punished but me. Personally I don't give a rats a$$ if they ban me again I like it here much. I like the fact that we actually have mature here who don't resort to unnecessary gang attacks which is what happened to me at ISP. Let them ban me it won't be the first time I really couldn't care less about those immature kids.

Well I got my answer, Apparently someone read the first 2 posts in this thread, jumped to cunclusions, told a admin that I was attacking isp on another forum(this forum) and they banned my Ip without even seing my posts bt just by 2 second hand info, bc we then didn't allow guests they couldn't see what exactly I posted and I remained banned, after we allowed guests that person/spy checked the site again and send the admins emails of my posts and the admins decided that I wasn't really attacking isp so I got unbanned. The admin I connected assured me they didnt check our pm's saying they arent able to, I dont know how the links got changed maybe automaticly ? Maybe they did watch the PM's I dont know. Anyway I didn't ask why Bihonar and Shahin got banned, if its the same reason then I dont know why you guys are still banned, I need to read your posts again bc I dont think either of you attacked isp either, I hope they'll unbann you guys too. Anyway I knew there were people from isp watching this site, by viewing the guests activity on the who's online bar and they all went to this thread, but I didn't think it was the reason for the ban bc I got banned 20 min after my second post on this thread, maybe even sooner. They could have also signed in this site and post in this thread, I personnaly wouldnt have had a problem with that. Well, thats the reason for the ban, I am unbanned now but I dont know if I really like to post at a site that falsely accuses me of something and emmediatly bans me without knowing the facts(and afterwords doesnt even apoligies) and even then it could have been a different kaesra, you cant assume it has to be me, the internet is a big place. Anyway look out with what you post bc it may get you banned. But even if you don't get banned, lets try not to use their name too much bc we arent trying to make ennemies or anything out of them and most of us dont really have anything against them,they might jump to wrong conclusions and this site isn't created to talk (bad) about isp.

As for the toysrus link, there is an option in the admincp that allows the admins to change any string of text to any other. It is mainly used for changing offensive words to something that is not so offensive like Shi*. ;)
So, they can replace www.theiranianforums.com to www.toysrus.com. I am sure they have another filter for irankicks or pfdc.

Don't take it too personally Kasra jaan. ;) We're not the first people to be banned from ISP for no reason and we won't be the last. You should actually feel pretty special that they got back to you with an explanation - maybe they're starting to see the error in their ways, which is what most of us wanted in the first place.

In any event, we're not running an exclusive club, a secret society or an authoritarian regime here, and even the ISP admins or moderators are more than welcome to come here and share their thoughts with us, be it about ISP, us, or things in general. In fact, I would like to officially invite them to come and hang out with us and share their views, particularly if they don't jive with the contentes of this thread.

I jus think it's important for people to have a choice, rather than being locked into a system they're unhappy with. Power of choice and freedom of expression are things that we will hopefully never take for granted, and if ISP can do the same thing, best of luck and all the success to them.

Don't take it too personally Kasra jaan. ;) We're not the first people to be banned from ISP for no reason and we won't be the last. You should actually feel pretty special that they got back to you with an explanation - maybe they're starting to see the error in their ways, which is what most of us wanted in the first place.

In any event, we're not running an exclusive club, a secret society or an authoritarian regime here, and even the ISP admins or moderators are more than welcome to come here and share their thoughts with us, be it about ISP, us, or things in general. In fact, I would like to officially invite them to come and hang out with us and share their views, particularly if they don't jive with the contentes of this thread.

I jus think it's important for people to have a choice, rather than being locked into a system they're unhappy with. Power of choice and freedom of expression are things that we will hopefully never take for granted, and if ISP can do the same thing, best of luck and all the success to them.
Well this is kinda what I meant, I wouldnt mind. But I want them to know that this site isn't built to critisice them or anything and this thread might have given them the wrong idea. Thats why I asked you in the beginning if it couldn't just be talked out. And I am not banned anymore so I don't have to be upset, I just have a thing against being wrongfully accused (it happened in real life for a couple of times and they always realised it wasn't me in the end) but Its all good.:meditate:

The admin I connected assured me they didnt check our pm's saying they arent able to, I dont know how the links got changed maybe automaticly ?



Kasra Jan, I highly doubt it that links automatically gets changed :) and PJ is correct, you can right queries that sreaches for a specific string in your database and replacs it.

I jus think it's important for people to have a choice, rather than being locked into a system they're unhappy with. Power of choice and freedom of expression are things that we will hopefully never take for granted, and if ISP can do the same thing, best of luck and all the success to them.


Nicely Said :)

Regarding monitoring of PMs, I just had a look around this site and can't access anyone's PMs. Either I don't know how (very likely) or as the ISP admin said to Kaesra, it is not possible to monitor PMs.

Regarding monitoring of PMs, I just had a look around this site and can't access anyone's PMs. Either I don't know how (very likely) or as the ISP admin said to Kaesra, it is not possible to monitor PMs.

Yeah I dont think its possible, atleast not in the basic Vbulletin engine maybe a application could do it but I dont think thats the case with them, I think there were just too many invites and someone reported one of the pm's and told them of the site. Again I'm ok with it now, I think we both jumped to cunclusions, they did when I got banned and I did after getting banned. It's all good now tough

I have just been banned from ISP! No reason given but I guess being a mod on a different forum doesn't go down well over there :)

I have just been banned from ISP! No reason given but I guess being a mod on a different forum doesn't go down well over there :)

Behrooz jan, it might be because of your kal kal with member of the day. I was reading that this morning and was wondering whether that causes a ban or not. Now that you mention, I think that did it.

I have just been banned from ISP! No reason given but I guess being a mod on a different forum doesn't go down well over there :)
It cant be just that, maybe its the same deal as it was with me, someone comes here checks out the members and their posts and then reports back to ISP and then they ban. U might get unbanned later, I dont know, I would like someone from there to sign in here and give explanations to the members being banned there atleast if the reason is related to this site otherwise it wouldnt make sence for them to do so. It would be a nice thing to do. You arent shown to be banned either.

Pedram jan, if they have banned me for my discourse with membr of day, then it's a terrible excuse. I never swore at him nor insulted any religion or ethnicity. There are much worse things said on ISP without any punishments being handed out.

I think it's because I used PM to invite members here. But even then, I wasn't asking anyone to quit ISP, but rather to check this place out. If someone at ISP got threatened by it's quite small-minded in my view.

Pedram jan, if they have banned me for my discourse with membr of day, then it's a terrible excuse. I never swore at him nor insulted any religion or ethnicity. There are much worse things said on ISP without any punishments being handed out.

I think it's because I used PM to invite members here. But even then, I wasn't asking anyone to quit ISP, but rather to check this place out. If someone at ISP got threatened by it's quite small-minded in my view.

You called him arab zadeh. Although I am not sure if that is an insult to him or to the Arabs. :scratchchin: Either way you would be assessed an infraction. :hanged2:

I called him Arab Zadeh, as in he in someone who loves Arabs. It maybe read as Arab zAdeh, as in someone born from an Arab :)
But anyway it was very much tit for tat. It hardly deserved an outright ban. A warning would have been sufficient :D

You called him arab zadeh. Although I am not sure if that is an insult to him or to the Arabs. :scratchchin:

LMAO.

I called him Arab Zadeh, as in he in someone who loves Arabs. It maybe read as Arab zAdeh, as in someone born from an Arab :)
But anyway it was very much tit for tat. It hardly deserved an outright ban. A warning would have been sufficient :D

You just couldn't resist Behrooz jaan, could you?! :laser:

I'm pretty sure, the ban is because of that, 'cause Ramin, Pedram and Kasra are still okay.

To be honest with you that Member of the Day is one of the most annoying people I've ever met in my whole life. Never has anything positive to say, jumps into each thread and starts insulting people left, right and centre and he always gets away with it - like many other people over there, including AliMR and Timsar who seem to have diplomatic immunity and have not been banned for much worse offences.

One of the last straws for me was Westie calling Sly (out of all the people in the world) bi-shoor in a discussion in which Sly had been very polite (just like he always is), because Westie didn't agree with his point of view. Nilou also lost it on Kaz and deleted a post in which he criticized her front page article! And this is all in a span of two days a couple of weeks ago. Kaz and Sly are two of the top posters and have been there for a long time. So, if you start treating your old members like this, anything can be expected.

I was spending a lot of time there and started noticing these things. They were not isolated incidents and were unfortunately becoming way too frequent for my taste. And of course, if you pay attention to the pattern of who's getting banned for no reason whatsoever, and which idealogies are given an open forum with no conditions attached, the problem is painfully clear - at least to me.

Well all I can say is that I have witnessed more heated debates and name calling than Arab zadeh which have gone unpunished. Can someone check and tell me if member of day is also banned?

But Behrou is right, the way that forum is run at times is very odd. Of all people you'd want your mods not to insult you. They are very trigger happy over there. I really don't care anymore. I save time by not going there. This is my third and last ban :)

It is possible to monitor pms... they can even extract ur passwd from their database if they really need to :)

It is possible to monitor pms... they can even extract ur passwd from their database if they really need to :)

Absolutely. I am not saying they are doing it, but there are enough tools out there that someone could extract all kinds of data from the database.

LMAO.



You just couldn't resist Behrooz jaan, could you?! :laser:

I'm pretty sure, the ban is because of that, 'cause Ramin, Pedram and Kasra are still okay.

To be honest with you that Member of the Day is one of the most annoying people I've ever met in my whole life. Never has anything positive to say, jumps into each thread and starts insulting people left, right and centre and he always gets away with it - like many other people over there, including AliMR and Timsar who seem to have diplomatic immunity and have not been banned for much worse offences.

One of the last straws for me was Westie calling Sly (out of all the people in the world) bi-shoor in a discussion in which Sly had been very polite (just like he always is), because Westie didn't agree with his point of view. Nilou also lost it on Kaz and deleted a post in which he criticized her front page article! And this is all in a span of two days a couple of weeks ago. Kaz and Sly are two of the top posters and have been there for a long time. So, if you start treating your old members like this, anything can be expected.

I was spending a lot of time there and started noticing these things. They were not isolated incidents and were unfortunately becoming way too frequent for my taste. And of course, if you pay attention to the pattern of who's getting banned for no reason whatsoever, and which idealogies are given an open forum with no conditions attached, the problem is painfully clear - at least to me.

That's just stupid if you ask me. I agree with you on that site there are guys like General Persian who get away with murder. This guy said several times that it's ok for a middle aged pervert to hook up with underage girls. When I called him out on it he said that in Kuwait it's ok so I called him a child molester. I guess he has something in common with that idiot judge in Saudi Arabia who upheld the marriage of an 8 year old girl to a 45 year old pervert. Keep in mind that this is after a bunch of those hezbollas started calling me every name in the book like vatan foroosh after I said I was joining the US Navy. Nobody else got punished but I got a six month ban on a first time offense.

As for Westi that guy can get away with murder on that site. The guy is a classic definition of an attention whore with his 34,000+ posts. All he does is just try to instigate a fight and get a rise out of you, but nobody ever calls him out on it. This kid is the classic definition of a tool he probably didn't get enough attention from his mom and dad that's why he feels the need to post 34,000+ times, it's all to get attention this is classic psychology 101 my friend.

I'm a mod on IK and it takes a lot for you to get a six month ban there. I think on your first offense you get a warning, on a second offense you get a yellow card, on a thrid offense you might get a red card and like a few days ban, on the fourth offense you might get a two week ban, on a fifth offense you migh get a two week ban, and finally you would get a six month ban or a final ban if the problem continues.

I feel as if you should at least give people a chance becuase in the heat of the moment. I'm sorry for ranting but I had to get that off of my chest.

sherwin jaan please take it a bit easy when insulting the ISP members. thats really not what we want here.

sherwin jaan please take it a bit easy when insulting the ISP members. thats really not what we want here.


Hey I understand by the way THEY JUST BANNED ME AGAIN AT ISP I THINK THIS TIME FOR GOOD.. That's just low and pathetic of them wow I'm sorry but I can't believe they would ban me for just blowing off some steam and telling the truth about two members I really have no respect for.

I guess at ISP you can't give out your opinion how pathetic and low I'm sorry but their admin, mods, and most of their members are a bunch of Hezbollas. I was not goin to talk shit but now that they banned me I guess I have nothing to lose. :)
This will be the last time you will hear me talk about ISP again I just had to get a few things off of my chest and expose them for who they are.

The mystery is solved guys. I sent an email to ISP Admin asking the reason for my ban and as I had suspected it had nothing to do with the argument with member of day and everything to do with the PMs I sent introducing this site. Here is the reply I got from ISP Admin in full:


Hi,

Thanks for your email. You have been permanently blocked from ISP after we were made aware by several members that you had been advertising through your pm. While we turn a blind eye on such issues if only one or two people are targeted, but that wasn't the case with you as you had targeted a bigger group. We don't allow any advertising on ISP, and our position is very clear on this. To have done this cowardly, and secretly through pm makes it even worse as far as we are concerned. We were also sent contents of your pm, in which you accuse us of running the site like IR dictators. If this is indeed what you think about ISP staff, and following your previous warning on this issue, we have decided that we don't welcome you on ISP anymore, and we don't wish to have you as either a member or a visitor. We have therefore blocked your IP address and have deactivated your account permanently.

Regards

ISP


I wrote back thanking them for their reply and saying that I was not expecting private messages to be interfered with by the Admin. I find it extremely ironic that while they object to being accused of IR style dictatorship, they openly admit to acting that way by reading what is meant to be PRIVATE!!!

Now a few points are noteworthy.
First, there is clearly a mole somewhere. One of the people I invited here ran to the ISP mods with the contents of my messages. I hate to speculate who that could have been. But despite the message saying I was targetting a big group, I did no such thing. I think I sent all together to about 6 or 7 members before I was banned. It's hardly a large group considering the size of the place.

Secondly, I was accused of advertising on ISP, which according to them is against their rules. I do not regard what I did as advertising. I know there is a fine line but I regard what I did as giving people a choice. I didn't do this on the forums but through PMs which were meant to be private. I wasn't trying to take people away from ISP as indeed many continue to post there, and so did I. People had the choice to post in two places and that's what they did as is within their rights.

Anyhow, I wrote back saying I did not want to content my ban any more. I really don't want to be posting on ISP for various reasons most of which we know and that's why we started this forum. I read the argument between one of the Admin and Kaz on the Tuesday CL thread and it's quite clear that the mentality of Admin on ISP is quite warped. They openly pick fights with members and shamelessly try to hide behind some lame excuse.

Regards
Behrooz

The mystery is solved guys. I sent an email to ISP Admin asking the reason for my ban and as I had suspected it had nothing to do with the argument with member of day and everything to do with the PMs I sent introducing this site. Here is the reply I got from ISP Admin in full:



I wrote back thanking them for their reply and saying that I was not expecting private messages to be interfered with by the Admin. I find it extremely ironic that while they object to being accused of IR style dictatorship, they openly admit to acting that way by reading what is meant to be PRIVATE!!!

Now a few points are noteworthy.
First, there is clearly a mole somewhere. One of the people I invited here ran to the ISP mods with the contents of my messages. I hate to speculate who that could have been. But despite the message saying I was targetting a big group, I did no such thing. I think I sent all together to about 6 or 7 members before I was banned. It's hardly a large group considering the size of the place.

Secondly, I was accused of advertising on ISP, which according to them is against their rules. I do not regard what I did as advertising. I know there is a fine line but I regard what I did as giving people a choice. I didn't do this on the forums but through PMs which were meant to be private. I wasn't trying to take people away from ISP as indeed many continue to post there, and so did I. People had the choice to post in two places and that's what they did as is within their rights.

Anyhow, I wrote back saying I did not want to content my ban any more. I really don't want to be posting on ISP for various reasons most of which we know and that's why we started this forum. I read the argument between one of the Admin and Kaz on the Tuesday CL thread and it's quite clear that the mentality of Admin on ISP is quite warped. They openly pick fights with members and shamelessly try to hide behind some lame excuse.

Regards
Behrooz

While looking through the pMs may be possible from an admin point of view, but I think that is not what they did. I believe there are many and many ISP members that are very loyal to ISP and would report such PMs.

Pedram jan, if they have banned me for my discourse with membr of day, then it's a terrible excuse. I never swore at him nor insulted any religion or ethnicity. There are much worse things said on ISP without any punishments being handed out.

I think it's because I used PM to invite members here. But even then, I wasn't asking anyone to quit ISP, but rather to check this place out. If someone at ISP got threatened by it's quite small-minded in my view.


Behrooz Jan,

Dude I got banned for a year becuase I told westi that if instead of 20k+ posts he had done 20k+ roo payee TM alan dige be forward ehtiaj nadasht!!

I'm sorry to say but average age of mods/admins on that site is like 18/19, you cant kalkal with bunch of teenagers.

Wow, that's some serious development guys - Shervin being banned for expressing his opinions on another site is in a whole new category. I don't think you should be insulting the IR by comparing them to ISP anymore Behrooz jaan! :wavetowel2:

Thanks for the update though my good man and your efforts to promote this forum and freedom of expression. As far as I'm concerned, you are a hero not a victim. The funniest thing is that I had a nightmare about you and ISP and couldn't go back to sleep, so I decided to check the forums!!! Now, that's freaky stuff. :abducted:

And Sherwin jaan, it's okay that you blew out some steam, but I'm glad that this was the last time you talk about ISP. ;) It's not worth geting yourself all worked up about. :Deviltype:

Pedram jaan, I think loyalty is a great and admirable attribute in anyone. However, loyalty to ISP in this case IMHO would have been to try and figure out why people are leaving and doing one's best to fix a flawed system - much like we all did before we switched. I think there are more appropriate adjectives for someone who's simply reporting the contents of a private message with no other goal than to get rid of someone. :laser:

The views expressed here are obviously my personal opinions and do not reflect the views of these forums. :dancing1:

While looking through the pMs may be possible from an admin point of view, but I think that is not what they did. I believe there are many and many ISP members that are very loyal to ISP and would report such PMs.

Pedram jan you are right that my post was reported by someone but I wouldn't be surprised if they looked at my PMs either. Assuming one person or at most two people reported their PMs, how would they come to the conclusion that I had targetted 'a big group'?
I only send PMs to about 6-7 people before I was banned. They have this system where you can only send one PM every 1200 seconds! That's every 20minutes and I didn't send any group PMs. Anyway, as far as the teller is concerned I can narrow down to one or two people but won't name any names as I am not certain.

Behrou jan, what was your nightmare? :)

I actually can't remember most of my dreams, just certain "feelings", words or images (there are those rare times when things are a little more vivid). But if I can't go back to sleep, particularly at 5 in the morning ;) I will try to remember them. All that was going through my head as I was lying in bed trying to fall sleep again, was you and ISP and something about a post (i.e. I had the image of a post within the forum, not the contents of a post). The feeling I got though was that you were actually posting there, so I thought maybe they had lifted your ban.

I tell you a real freaky one from last year (I know, I'm obviously spending a little too much time on these forums if I'm dreaming about you guys - lol). We were up at a cottage and I woke up exactly around the same time after having a nightmare that Qahreman-Naayeb (no, not Qahreman or Pahlevoon-Nayeb), it was combination of the two names and it was a lady if I'm not mistaken - also, notewrothy that I've hardly ever had any conversations with these guys on ISP) was inside our house with a team of what looked to be assassins! They had already killed my mom and were trying to catch my brother and I was captive there (also noteworthy, people in my dreams usually represent other characters or things realted through their astrological signs - I'm almost certain about this - so, my borther often shows up in place of Sam for example, both Capricorns). Anyway, I woke up at the moment when my attempt to escape was thwarted by this team. I could not go back to sleep and sat there for hours trying to think of what this dream meant. When we got back home from the cottage on Sunday, our front door was wide open! Nothing was taken, no sign of entry and our mailman said he had not noticed the door being open any of the times he delivered the mail! :spinface::spinface::spinface::spinface::spinface:

^^^ Wow, that's spooky stuff. I am not sure about dreams and whether they mean anything. I don't think they do most of the time. But to dream of ISP members conspiring to destroy your family? man that's weird :)

p.s. I sent ytou a PM.

Weird would definitely be an understatement my good man ;) :drinking05:

Hi guys, I'm new here, hehe. I was looking for some Iranian forums and found you on Google. I was just wondering who, what or where this ISP is? I'm guessing it is not an internet service provider, or is it? And what is theur relationship to Toysrus. Isn't that a big store in the US?

Dear HasanKachal,

ISP is iransportspress.com and almost all of us here were members there for many years until very recently. However, as you have probably read from the posts here we left for a variety of reasons, mainly due to the treatment handed down to posters by the admin.

Please visit ISP as it's a cool place, but I hope that you will stick around here too. We are a young community which is growing and we appreciate your contribution.

Behrooz Jan,

Dude I got banned for a year becuase I told westi that if instead of 20k+ posts he had done 20k+ roo payee TM alan dige be forward ehtiaj nadasht!!

I'm sorry to say but average age of mods/admins on that site is like 18/19, you cant kalkal with bunch of teenagers.

Ali jan, I remember your legendary arguments with various people on ISP. I think we have all had our share of it with Westi, who is a cool guy really :)

On another note, the ISP admin accused me of 'cowardly' advertising through PMs!!! Now I had no idea what I was doing could be interpreted as such :)

Also, blocking someone's IP Address doesn't mean much as you can easily browse their site using one of many proxy sites. You can also post there if you really want to using the proxy ;)

Hi,

Thanks for your email. You have been permanently blocked from ISP after we were made aware by several members that you had been advertising through your pm. While we turn a blind eye on such issues if only one or two people are targeted, but that wasn't the case with you as you had targeted a bigger group. We don't allow any advertising on ISP, and our position is very clear on this. To have done this cowardly, and secretly through pm makes it even worse as far as we are concerned. We were also sent contents of your pm, in which you accuse us of running the site like IR dictators. If this is indeed what you think about ISP staff, and following your previous warning on this issue, we have decided that we don't welcome you on ISP anymore, and we don't wish to have you as either a member or a visitor. We have therefore blocked your IP address and have deactivated your account permanently.

Regards

ISP


I wanted to not make a comment on this anymore because I honestly don't think it is a big deal to be able or not to post on some internet site BUT:

1) For them using a word " Cowardly" really shows how mature they are :).
Sending 5-6 PMs to certain firends and asking them to post on some other site while posting at ISP is considered adertisement !!! If they were profesional and mature, they could have sent a pm, ask us to stop and not do it through their system. But going and changing the link to toysRus.com just shows how childish some of these guys can be :) :)


2) They talk about baning permenetly, while they just banned our IP !!! So other members can not see us as banned !! I wonder why ?? maybe to not raise questions !!! :) :)


Anyway, ISP is a private site and they can run how ever they wish. best of luck to them and I think we should move on, delet this thread and continue improving our community here.

Dear HasanKachal,
ISP is iransportspress.com and almost all of us here were members there for many years until very recently.

That's really cowardly of you to be advertisning their site on ours Behrooz jaan! You should ban yourself! ;)

:Woot_Jump:

Joking aside though, I think you're using the world "cool" a little bit too generously. Personally, I don't think it's cool to insult poeple, censor them, or call them cowardly. But that's just me.

Anyway, ISP is a private site and they can run how ever they wish. best of luck to them and I think we should move on, delet this thread and continue improving our community here.

This is what I wanted to say last week. Since there is no value in continuing with this thread, I propose, let's stop talking about it , lock the thread and move on.

Unless of course, you thinkthat would be cowardly. :showass5:

p.s., I am serious about locking this thread....

That's really cowardly of you to be advertisning their site on ours Behrooz jaan! You should ban yourself! ;)

:Woot_Jump:

Joking aside though, I think you're using the world "cool" a little bit too generously. Personally, I don't think it's cool to insult poeple, censor them, or call them cowardly. But that's just me.

Well it's cool in the sense that apart from the heavy handed and childish admins, there are many cool people which is what makes the site what it is.
As Shahin pointed out, the reaction of the admin is very immature and unprofessional which is unfortunate :)

Thank you, I checked them out and registered there too. I am pretty new to this "forum" stuff, but at least I've learnt the right terminology, otherwise I wouldn't evne know where to go from that front page, he he. So, how come you guys don't have some of the things they have? They actually show the TM games live? Are you planning to have anything like that soon? It would be very nice if the price is lower. How do I insert those happy faces and stuff into quick reply btw?

Anyway, ISP is a private site and they can run how ever they wish. best of luck to them and I think we should move on, delet this thread and continue improving our community here.

This is what I wanted to say last week. Since there is no value in continuing with this thread, I propose, let's stop talking about it , lock the thread and move on.

Unless of course, you thinkthat would be cowardly. :showass5:

p.s., I am serious about locking this thread....

I agree. In my opinion the key to success is to be independent and do our own marketing. I am sure if we are successful as a forum the people on ISP will eventually hear about us and if they like they can join us. No need to do "cowardly advertising" on ISP.
Let's just move on and mind our own business. To be honest, other than a few immature admins who have ruined it for a lot of us, I don't have any grudge against ISP. I even go there and post sometimes but not frequently. The way I see it, they are there and we are here.
And again, they don't need to check PMs or anything to change theiranianforums to toysrus. If you have access to their site, just go there and open a new thread and type theiranianforums and press the preview button. You will see that it has changed to toysrus. They have a filter that does that automatically. We can do the same if we chose to, so that certain people cannot do cowardly advertising for ISP. ;)

Thank you, I checked them out and registered there too. I am pretty new to this "forum" stuff, but at least I've learnt the right terminology, otherwise I wouldn't evne know where to go from that front page, he he. So, how come you guys don't have some of the things they have? They actually show the TM games live? Are you planning to have anything like that soon? It would be very nice if the price is lower. How do I insert those happy faces and stuff into quick reply btw?

To insert smileys you would either have to quote someone (click on the quote button) or if you type in the quick reply section, click on go advanced and you will see the smileys.

Wow, that's some serious development guys - Shervin being banned for expressing his opinions on another site is in a whole new category. I don't think you should be insulting the IR by comparing them to ISP anymore Behrooz jaan! :wavetowel2:

Thanks for the update though my good man and your efforts to promote this forum and freedom of expression. As far as I'm concerned, you are a hero not a victim. The funniest thing is that I had a nightmare about you and ISP and couldn't go back to sleep, so I decided to check the forums!!! Now, that's freaky stuff. :abducted:

And Sherwin jaan, it's okay that you blew out some steam, but I'm glad that this was the last time you talk about ISP. ;) It's not worth geting yourself all worked up about. :Deviltype:

Pedram jaan, I think loyalty is a great and admirable attribute in anyone. However, loyalty to ISP in this case IMHO would have been to try and figure out why people are leaving and doing one's best to fix a flawed system - much like we all did before we switched. I think there are more appropriate adjectives for someone who's simply reporting the contents of a private message with no other goal than to get rid of someone. :laser:

The views expressed here are obviously my personal opinions and do not reflect the views of these forums. :dancing1:


Hey the way I see it if the admin and mods at ISP want to ban you for expressing your opinion, on another site keep in mind, I just don't want to be apart of that. I'm not getting worked up at all I really don't even care that they banned me. It's just sad to me that they would ban you just like that for expressing your opinion. As you pointed out you shouldn't compare the IR to ISP that would actually be an insult to the Islamic Republic. :) I thought I would never say those words. In less than two months I'm going to boot camp for the Navy the last thing I need in my life is more stress from ISP members, who by the way who some of them called me a vatan foroosh because I need a job and I need to support myself. Believe me it's not because I'm some redneck American or anything like that. I've been laid off for nine months and my dad is about to go work in Abu Dabi UAE, so I'll be on my own. I have plenty of love for Iran although I'm not found of the IR, my heart goes out to Iran and I still bleed green, white and red. What's wrong with having love for both countries your country of birth USA and Iran? I guess it's easy for those people to talk tough behind a computer but I guarantee you in real life those guys are all cowards. They would not dare to call me a vatan foroosh in front of my face so typing behind a computer is one way to go.

Anyways I think now that we all blew off our steam someone should either lock or remove this thread so that we all can move on. There is no point in beating a dead horse with a stick.

Sherwin, you said you werent gonna talk about ISP then let it rest, no reason to continue insulting.

Anyhow,Guys, Im gonna lock the thread, I think we said what we wanted to say, there have been mistakes on both sides. ISP has the right to make there own decisions eventhough we dont agree with them and its not like I'm an outsider bc I got banned for no reason at all, they admitted that later and unbanned me but still I was wronged. I think this thread might give a wrong image of what we are about and it might get out of hand.

I hope you guys understand,

Kasra.

Edit: Got overruled :Embaressment: Its all good though :drop_it: :D

Sorry guys, I had to run to a job site earlier and didn't get a chance to respond.

TBH, I don't see any reason why we should lock this thread, let alone delete it. It's a healthy discussion IMHO - people have concerns and questions and need to discuss a particular issue (that's what the discussion forums are for) and I don't think we should show sensitivity one way or another toward any topic as long as the tone of the discussion is respectful - at least I thought those were the guidelines we were all working with or towards as a team.

Personally, I would prefer if we could refrain from name calling and referring to specific individuals in a disresepctful manner, as this is an open site and people from ISP are more than welcome to join. And if that does becomes the case, it's a little difficult to consider the discussion respectful for the person coming into it. It's obviously not a violation of the forum rules at the moment, but since it could become one and it's really unnecessary, I'm sure we can find better ways to express ourselves.

Other than that, welcome aboard HasanKachal jaan (nice name btw :)). PJ already told you about the Smileys and we're definitely considering some video capabilities, although we're not really a sports dedicated site, but more geared toward the forums and discussions, as you can see! ;) So, I think ISP frontpage is your best bet for sports news and their paid streaming services your best bet to watch TM games in HQ if you can't get satellite TV. As far as the forums go, well, you have 2 choices and 2 choices is always better than one! ;) So, I hope you have lots of fun and make new friends at both places. :)

P.S. Kasra jaan, I was in the middle of posting my views and you locked the thread! :spinface: It's not our job as ADMINS to lock threads. We have a team of moderators to make those types of decisions - as a team. I hope you don't mind that I re-opened it, but we definitely don't want to step on our moderators' feets! ;)

Thank you, I checked them out and registered there too. I am pretty new to this "forum" stuff, but at least I've learnt the right terminology, otherwise I wouldn't evne know where to go from that front page, he he. So, how come you guys don't have some of the things they have? They actually show the TM games live? Are you planning to have anything like that soon? It would be very nice if the price is lower. How do I insert those happy faces and stuff into quick reply btw?


What's up Hassani?
WHy do you want to pay to watch TM when you can watch it all for free www.glwiz.com

enjoy.

BTW if you click on the reply button there is loads of smilies on the RHS!

For what it's worth, I don't like locking threads either unless it is absolutely necessary so I am with Behrou on this issue. Locking threads is like a slippery slope and soon we will be locking threads for anything that may be slightly sensitive.
Just my opinion.

Personally, I would prefer if we could refrain from name calling and referring to specific individuals in a disresepctful manner, as this is an open site and people from ISP are more than welcome to join. And if that does becomes the case, it's a little difficult to consider the discussion respectful for the person coming into it. It's obviously not a violation of the forum rules at the moment, but since it could become one and it's really unnecessary, I'm sure we can find better ways to express ourselves.

Bi-Honar jaan, I agree with this wholeheartedly. As long as we keep this clean, there is no reason that we should close this thread.

The views expressed in this thread are those of individual members and do not reflect the views of TheIranianForums.com in any shape or form. We do encourage the free flow and exchange of informatio and as such we do not control the comments posted in these forums explicitly or in a manner that is implied. We encourage, invite and welcome all views to be expressed in an environment of respect and friendship.

^^^ This is actually what I meant, Good job IraniAdmin ;)

Havmoono daareh IraniAdmin Kasra joon ;)

The thing with me and Niloufar started before even the critique of her article. Niloufar is in general a sweet and decent girl...but someone who is too immature for critique. I had many tiffs with her where for the sake of the friendship I apologised, took the blame and wanted to move on. For her part, she is not a grudge-type person and even if she felt she was in the right she wouldn't hold onto that argument.

But the article thing was the last straw for me. I had told her months before that I, as someone who actually cared for the success of ISP, thought the quality of many articles were at a poor standard. I offered help, my time, repeatedly for over a year. The one time I said something publicly it was deleted. Niloufar had said she didn't delete them but our exchanges in private makes me doubt that. For one, she can't fathom that anyone can critique their work - simply because they do it for free and use up their spare time. Which is understandable, but doesn't mean they can't improve - IF they wanted to improve, that is. She hid behind the belief that she thought I was all "tarof", which is a lie because the extent that I was offering was far more than tarof. I also DID write ISP a piece, which was somewhat against Ali Daei, and they didn't post it.

And so, it became a slanging match. The great irony in this is she felt hurt that I said her article was a "30 minute piece", because apparently she worked so hard, yet she was someone who was encouraging me, nonchalantly, to write a match-report based on a match I hadn't seen, just as she regularly did (no big deal, eh?). My harmless critique snowballed into insults where what I said was apparently "BS", or I was a liar, etc. I lost a lot of respect for her over that and even more when she obviously discussed our private friendship with Pooya, who tried to bait me into getting into an argument with him.

There are other examples I could go through but I won't for the fact that they were private exchanges. Even if she can't be decent about it, I will.

Damn, had no idea (cause I did not spend time in sports forum). What a GD soap opera! :sign_1111952165:

Yeah, a lot of this stuff was happening after you got banned Hamid jaan. I actually saw that exchange between Kaz & Nilou and even saw Kaz's thread before it got deleted. I personally took serious offence to that. It was an honest critique and if one didn't want to listen to it, then they didn't need to. But deleting it altogether is like showing the finger to the person who wrote it. At least, that's how I would have taken it if it was my friendly critique.

Nilou's an awesome girl IMO and actually my favrotie person in the whole ISP team. She's enthusiastic about her Football and that's so rare that she should be a role model for many other Iranian girls and women. So what if she can't write. The right management in any entity is putting people who have certain strengths into areas where they can flourish, not into somehing they'll be struggling in or critiqued. That's just my 2 cents as someone who has worked for quite a few different companies as a manager and my advice to Nilou would be to align herself with people and organizations who will set her up for success, not failure. Our doors are always open for Nilou and hard working people like her. :)

Kazem jaan, I think you should post that article in the Football forum. You took the time to write it and it should receive some recognition IMHO and if you're interested. If you take the lead on that, I promise to write a nice article next week too and maybe we can have 2 wekly Football articles in the forums for now. Sherwin has also said he's a good sports writer, although his expertise is the funny Football (American Football ;)), but I'm sure he can make the switch easily.

One more thing guys that hadn't occured to me until last night is this association of people under the age of 20 with immaturity or being kids. I almost feel stupid that this didn't click for me sooner, but age is in no way an indication of a person's maturity or ability. I have known very mature 18 year olds and some really immature 30 something year olds. Kasra is the perfect example of someone who is young, energetic, hard working and extremely mature and I've had the pleasure of working with him and getting to know him better in the last few weeks. And frankly, had I been him and read the comments about age, I would have been somewhat discouraged if not offended or hurt - particularly when his hard work and relentless efforts have been an absolutely vital part of this forum's success so far. In fact, as a friend I felt really bad about having read those comments and not thought of Kasra and how he might read them. So I hope that we will not judge people on their age, but their actions and abilities and that our comments from this point on reflect that.

Great idea to have an article posted here.
I have always fancied writing about football-related matters so I can have a go too. We are amateurs so I feel comfortable :)

I have known very mature 18 year olds and some really immature 30 something year olds. Kasra is the perfect example of someone who is young, energetic, hard working and extremely mature and I've had the pleasure of working with him and getting to know him better in the last few weeks.

On a side note, I remember when I was 17-19, nothing more than a total Koskhol. Then you have guys like Kasra. I am sure with his positive attitude he is bound to be a successful person in the future.

That's great idea for KAz to post his article in football forum.

Let's do t up then boys. Kazem jaan, get the troops wound, we're going to write!

:p Guys I think the article I wrote is outdated by a few months now. There is little point posting it. But I will write for this site when asked, and don't have too much on my plate.

When Behrou was talking about such a site, we were discussing the fact that very good and high quality pieces in English weren't common for Iranian football. There are some good writers out there, and most of the are my friends, so don't get me wrong, but more would be better. We have very good english speaking members here as well so we have a solid foundation. I really hope Behrooz and others take to writing and we get a group writing and critiquing/encouraging each other. These pieces would go well on a home-page IMO.

I think this site has immense potential for bringing quality - whether as a forum or with regards to writing pieces. We have very good, respectful and open admins, and that's necessary for the environment where that quality can be refined and will bring in quantity.

No, I wasnt insulted, there is nothing wrong with associating Immaturaty with age, its a common response and I didnt take/nor do take any offence in that matter and the thing is in many cases it might be the right assumption and I'll make the same assumptions at times too. But sometimes it might not be the right assumption . I would have been glad if I was more immature but I had to grow up pretty fast and to be honest it would have been better if I hadnt.

LOL, So everybody is gonna find the writer/artist in themselves, huh ? :D Behroo you cant get away with writing and keep calling yourself Bihonar, can you ? :D

I can try to write a short article, but I am well out of touch with Iranian football. I can try my hands at English football or the Champions League.

Are we going to have a front page here? I know we are not meant to be a news site but where will these articles go? In different threads?

I'm gald you guys are all pumped up and glad Kasra jaan that you're not upset about the age thing. That was really bothering me last night when I thought about it :(

Kazem jaan, you're absolutely right and success is directly related to respect, proper organization and quality all of which we seem to have put together with everyone's help, not just the admins. I think the admin team has in most parts implemented the good suggestions that we have received.

I think you should put up your article. Who cares if it's outdated. I also have another one about Daei that's way outdated and was never published by ISP. I will actually put up all my articles. Maybe we can call it the "Down Memory Lane Collection"! I'll dig mine up and post it right now. It's also good to be critiqued on our previous articles and on the forums, so we can write the next ones better, particularly if they're going to go up on the front page.

Why not Behrooz jaan, we'll have a front page. I don't think it's a question of if. but when. We've obviously hit a snag with the name, logo and frontpage selections, but one way or anohter, we're going to have to reolve that and move on to bigger and better things. Writing is really not that difficult. It's just about collecting stats and facts and putting them into sentences. For example, I have never seen a nice detailed article about Ando. Where did he come from, why he ended up in the EPL, what he's doing now, etc. Maybe you can make that your first writing project. I know I would love to read a piece on him.

Great! Do I get a press card and access to free league games in England? :)

j/k

Why not Behrooz jaan. If we set our mind to it, anything is possible in 3 year's time. ;) We could got press passes to all Canadian Football events a few years back. At that time Mehrad (Masoudi) was working at the Canadian Football Federation and Shahrvand was the newspaper to beat in Canada. And as far as I know Mehrdad is actually working for FIFA now! He is a great guy and an absolute gentleman. So, as the Addidas commercial goes, "impossible is nothing"! ;)

Why not Behrooz jaan. If we set our mind to it, anything is possible in 3 year's time. ;) We could got press passes to all Canadian Football events a few years back. At that time Mehrad (Masoudi) was working at the Canadian Football Federation and Shahrvand was the newspaper to beat in Canada. And as far as I know Mehrdad is actually working for FIFA now! He is a great guy and an absolute gentleman. So, as the Addidas commercial goes, "impossible is nothing"! ;)

wow Behrou jan,

I never knew Mehrad Masoudi, he seems like a real great guy.

Apparently the real Badu Vieira (Iran's coach in WCQ) has joined ISP and he mentioned that he met Mehrad Masoudi in Canada and he had introduced Vieira to IFF officials:
http://forums.iransportspress.com/showpost.php?p=646154&postcount=47

Great! Do I get a press card and access to free league games in England? :)

j/k

Behrooz jan,

I think footballmedia.net people (my great friend Nader Jahanfard) had obtained press pass to WC06 games. So why not, hook me up too and we report United games together. :D

wow Behrou jan,
I never knew Mehrad Masoudi, he seems like a real great guy.
Apparently the real Badu Vieira (Iran's coach in WCQ) has joined ISP and he mentioned that he met Mehrad Masoudi in Canada and he had introduced Vieira to IFF officials:
http://forums.iransportspress.com/showpost.php?p=646154&postcount=47


He is a great guy. I actually interviewed him for one of the Iranian TV channels before the '98 WC. He also introduced me to this great little Italian restaurant when I visisted him in Ottawa. Very humble and down to earth. I wasn't too crazy about his boss at the CFF though.

LMAO @ the Viera thread and thanks for some great Friday night funnies! :) ISP had blcoked my IP address and I just got around to changing it a couple of days ago, so I hadn't seen this particular dog and pony show. I guess desparate times call for desparate measures! ;)


Mehrdad was actually the communications officer for the CFF, not the secretary. :whistle:

The timing of this character showing up, a day after the ISP staff found out about our forum is also a little suspect to say the least. :scratchchin:

This Viera also seems to have a pretty good command of the English language without having lived in an English speaking country! :pickingnose:

He also seemed to have a lot of free time on his hands, that's until a couple of comments were made in Portuguese (his native tongue) at which point he mysteriously disappeared - never to return! :bye2:

Also comical, the Japanese with all their technological advancements, could not hook him up with an e-mail address and he had to get one at Yahoo and another one on Hotmail! :toilet04:

There also seem to be no telephones or faxes in that area of Japan for someone to call for an interview or a simple confirmation of his identity. I'm surprised he was even able to get his hands on a computer!!! :crazy:

Oh, did I mention what my favorite part was? It was where he says ask me any question where the answer is readily available on the web (sorry about the slight praphrasing)! :flypig:

So, what did the poorly planned, traffic generating, marketing mascot say as he ran into the door on his way out? "Oh shit, I wasn't expecting someone to start talking Portuguese!"

Well, since he at least spoke Arabic, let us at least bid adieu properly..

:camel:
Al Wada

He is a great guy. I actually interviewed him for one of the Iranian TV channels before the '98 WC. He also introduced me to this great little Italian restaurant when I visisted him in Ottawa. Very humble and down to earth. I wasn't too crazy about his boss at the CFF though.

LMAO @ the Viera thread and thanks for some great Friday night funnies! :) ISP had blcoked my IP address and I just got around to changing it a couple of days ago, so I hadn't seen this particular dog and pony show. I guess desparate times call for desparate measures! ;)


Mehrdad was actually the communications officer for the CFF, not the secretary. :whistle:

The timing of this character showing up, a day after the ISP staff found out about our forum is also a little suspect to say the least. :scratchchin:

This Viera also seems to have a pretty good command of the English language without having lived in an English speaking country! :pickingnose:

He also seemed to have a lot of free time on his hands, that's until a couple of comments were made in Portuguese (his native tongue) at which point he mysteriously disappeared - never to return!

Also comical, the Japanese with all their technological advancements, could not hook him up with an e-mail address and he had to get one at Yahoo and another one on Hotmail! :toilet04:

There also seem to be no telephones or faxes in that area of Japan for someone to call for an interview or a simple confirmation of his identity. I'm surprised he was even able to get his hands on a computer!!! :crazy:

Oh, did I mention what my favorite part was? It was where he says ask me any question where the answer is readily available on the web (sorry about the slight praphrasing)! :flypig:

So, what did the poorly planned, traffic generating, marketing mascot say as he ran into the door on his way out? "Oh shit, I wasn't expecting someone to start talking Portuguese!"

Well, since he at least spoke Arabic, let us at least bid adieu properly..

:camel:
Al Wada

hehe I don't know really. But there IS a phone number there. Maybe you should call for an interview. ;)

Behrooz jan,

I think footballmedia.net people (my great friend Nader Jahanfard) had obtained press pass to WC06 games. So why not, hook me up too and we report United games together. :D

SAF jan that would be a real incentive for me to get into journalism as an alternative career. Shame I don't know much about it at the moment!

Did you hear the other SAF having a go at Rafa yesterday? Great stuff :)

As for this Badu Viera character, I too highly doubt it's him. I am typically cynical about these things anyway but particularly when I saw his email address was yahoo!!! I mean any tom/dick/harry with a PC can pretend to be anybody. I could be Elvis. Other than he is dead, I could fool some people who believe he is still alive ;)

I don't think there is any connection with this site starting and any timing is just coincidence. I rather suspect one of the Kuwait crew is having a laugh. GP seems to have hit it off with him well ;)

hehe I don't know really. But there IS a phone number there. Maybe you should call for an interview. ;)

Sorry Ali joon, I didn't see that the first time around. I'd be happy to call him up, but I can't figure this number out. The 81 is obviously the Japan area code, but I couldn't find any city dialing codes with 0, or 80 in them. I'm sure if our friends at ISP were successful dialing the number, they would have been all over it reporting, instead of checking out our forums! Afterall, that seemed to be a private mobile number for them. ;)

The thing with me and Niloufar started before even the critique of her article. Niloufar is in general a sweet and decent girl...but someone who is too immature for critique. I had many tiffs with her where for the sake of the friendship I apologised, took the blame and wanted to move on. For her part, she is not a grudge-type person and even if she felt she was in the right she wouldn't hold onto that argument.

But the article thing was the last straw for me. I had told her months before that I, as someone who actually cared for the success of ISP, thought the quality of many articles were at a poor standard. I offered help, my time, repeatedly for over a year. The one time I said something publicly it was deleted. Niloufar had said she didn't delete them but our exchanges in private makes me doubt that. For one, she can't fathom that anyone can critique their work - simply because they do it for free and use up their spare time. Which is understandable, but doesn't mean they can't improve - IF they wanted to improve, that is. She hid behind the belief that she thought I was all "tarof", which is a lie because the extent that I was offering was far more than tarof. I also DID write ISP a piece, which was somewhat against Ali Daei, and they didn't post it.

And so, it became a slanging match. The great irony in this is she felt hurt that I said her article was a "30 minute piece", because apparently she worked so hard, yet she was someone who was encouraging me, nonchalantly, to write a match-report based on a match I hadn't seen, just as she regularly did (no big deal, eh?). My harmless critique snowballed into insults where what I said was apparently "BS", or I was a liar, etc. I lost a lot of respect for her over that and even more when she obviously discussed our private friendship with Pooya, who tried to bait me into getting into an argument with him.

There are other examples I could go through but I won't for the fact that they were private exchanges. Even if she can't be decent about it, I will.
I'm not going to slam anyone on ISP anymore and out of all of them Nilou is the most decent one, however this is a bigger problem and it's basically our culture. In our Persian culture we tend to have this belief of how dare you criticize ma an attack on my work or beliefs is an attack on me. This is the kind of backwards thinking mentality we need to break.

Hey sometimes I catch myself doing this nobody likes to get criticized, but over the years I learned to develope a thick skin. Just because someone critiques you it's not an attack on you. Again overall Nilou jan is a good girl but this problem is bigger than Nilou jan or ISP it's a huge problem with our culture.

Try to find new members on youtube. Invite all Iranians you finde there.
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Hi guys,

Just stumbled upon this thread and honestly I am so disappointed with ISP.
They need to be more democratic. I've been on & off banned over the past 6-7 years. Just because getting into arguments with sarjookheh reza ozve rooz ;)
pathetic...

Ramin jan, good to see you here.
Stick around please and let your friends know about our site.

Ramin jan, good to see you here.
Stick around please and let your friends know about our site.

Salam Behrooz jan.
Chetori?
Hatman.

Ramin jan not so well today as United lost :(
But I will recover :)

Doostan
I can't remember how many times I got banned by ISP admin but it isnt a big deal.
The most ridiculous banning experience I had was the time I posted A video from Britain Got talent from a 5 years old Colin who performed like an angel but a certain hezbul member commented '' ........talent my asss..........''. I responded to him instantly and called him a OGHDEI who gets jealous like a 3 year old and you know the rest.

I asked so many of you at the time to support me fighting against unreasonable banning system at isp but nobody really cared except behrooz ( my dear pharmacist mate ) .

I am a graduate of Architecture plus a 2nd degree in Industrial Design majoring in Automotive design and to be honest with you I couldnt even win a debate over few certain isp admins on few threads about cars or buildings!!! I mean come on. akhe rooo ham haddi dare...sang paye ghazvin gofte zekii.

Thats what bothers me a lot. So many ppl including admins who have no idea what they are talking about except bla bla bla.Too many armchair fans,too many biased members,too many stupid mazhabi members.

A forum is a place to debate info,talk about stuff in a freely with no dast be assa harf zadan or sharm o haya which is part of our culture. I hope this forum continue its aim and let ppl speak!!
ps. I got shocked when someone here suggested to lock this thread but behrou survived the forum at the last second. To be honest with you guys,If this thread or any other thread gets deleted or locked without a poll or atleast asking other members's opinion then I for myself will lost my hope for a brighter future among iranians. when we cant tolerate a simple internet talk,talking about democracy is a joke.

Isp has lost so many good members like Pedram ( who invented the google bomb regarding the Persian vs ara**** gulf ) plus so many decent members like ME ( he was such a decent guy ) who left isp when admin deleted one of his posts.

I dont know about you fine ppl but dont give up easily.if you think banning was a stupid decision from admins then react in a mature way and fight. I chose another way by chosing diff user id s like alila+,alila++,alila+++ and etc. When I ran out of ++++ and ----- and ***** i tried to keep my style of writing and being the same alila who never gives up.

Doostan. This world is full of admins . be ghol sohrab '' agar kerm nabood zendegi chizi kam dasht ''

chak

Ali jan,

Good points, I think we are on the right track to have a forum that everyone can freely express their thoughts. As for the quick discussion we had about locking this very thread, the whole point, IMO was to stay unbiased and discuss issues. We don't want to deviate from that.

Anyway, anything goes, football, science, politics, you name it. Hope to see you around often.

p.s., I apologize for editing your post, I just wanted to edit the incorrect reference to Persian Gulf, in case someone was directed/redirected to the site.

Doostan
I can't remember how many times I got banned by ISP admin but it isnt a big deal.
The most ridiculous banning experience I had was the time I posted A video from Britain Got talent from a 5 years old Colin who performed like an angel but a certain hezbul member commented '' ........talent my asss..........''. I responded to him instantly and called him a OGHDEI who gets jealous like a 3 year old and you know the rest.

I asked so many of you at the time to support me fighting against unreasonable banning system at isp but nobody really cared except behrooz ( my dear pharmacist mate ) .

I am a graduate of Architecture plus a 2nd degree in Industrial Design majoring in Automotive design and to be honest with you I couldnt even win a debate over few certain isp admins on few threads about cars or buildings!!! I mean come on. akhe rooo ham haddi dare...sang paye ghazvin gofte zekii.

Thats what bothers me a lot. So many ppl including admins who have no idea what they are talking about except bla bla bla.Too many armchair fans,too many biased members,too many stupid mazhabi members.

A forum is a place to debate info,talk about stuff in a freely with no dast be assa harf zadan or sharm o haya which is part of our culture. I hope this forum continue its aim and let ppl speak!!
ps. I got shocked when someone here suggested to lock this thread but behrou survived the forum at the last second. To be honest with you guys,If this thread or any other thread gets deleted or locked without a poll or atleast asking other members's opinion then I for myself will lost my hope for a brighter future among iranians. when we cant tolerate a simple internet talk,talking about democracy is a joke.

Isp has lost so many good members like Pedram ( who invented the google bomb regarding the Persian vs ara**** gulf ) plus so many decent members like ME ( he was such a decent guy ) who left isp when admin deleted one of his posts.

I dont know about you fine ppl but dont give up easily.if you think banning was a stupid decision from admins then react in a mature way and fight. I chose another way by chosing diff user id s like alila+,alila++,alila+++ and etc. When I ran out of ++++ and ----- and ***** i tried to keep my style of writing and being the same alila who never gives up.

Doostan. This world is full of admins . be ghol sohrab '' agar kerm nabood zendegi chizi kam dasht ''

chak

Now that's just sad it makes you want to :drinking05:heavily when you deal with these type of people, who think they know everything about everything. Personally I only debate in subjects that I am strong in such as business finance, which is what I studied at Cal Poly, History, and American sports like American football(I played in high school) basketball, and soccer. I won't engage in a science debate becuase that is not my strength. If it's about music I'll debate that since I played classical piano all of my life, and I even taught lessons in college for some extra $$$.

I'm not going to talk about some of those ISP hesbi's anymore because everyone knows where I stand on the issue. I will say this though you can find some good members there who are nice people.

I think both of us found a good home here and I am very happy with this site.

ali khan, I remember your argument on that kid video you posted. It was an incredible turn of discussion, from an innocent video, someone made a huge deal.

what I never unerstood is how you managed to register with different usernames seeing that ISP blocks your IP address. I am not very good with internet technology so don't know of many tricks.

ali khan, I remember your argument on that kid video you posted. It was an incredible turn of discussion, from an innocent video, someone made a huge deal.

what I never unerstood is how you managed to register with different usernames seeing that ISP blocks your IP address. I am not very good with internet technology so don't know of many tricks.

it isnt difficult to change ur IP address or use temp email addresses ,etc.
I never felt happy coming under diff names but I couldnt find a better way to fight back.
This world aint any fair.
chak

Now that's just sad it makes you want to :drinking05:heavily when you deal with these type of people, who think they know everything about everything. Personally I only debate in subjects that I am strong in such as business finance, which is what I studied at Cal Poly, History, and American sports like American football(I played in high school) basketball, and soccer. I won't engage in a science debate becuase that is not my strength. If it's about music I'll debate that since I played classical piano all of my life, and I even taught lessons in college for some extra $$$.

I'm not going to talk about some of those ISP hesbi's anymore because everyone knows where I stand on the issue. I will say this though you can find some good members there who are nice people.

I think both of us found a good home here and I am very happy with this site.
shervin jan

SAME goes with me. I dont even find myself an expert on cars or buildings vali i guess I have a little more knowledge on the subject compared to those who have been an armchair fan for their entire life,never played the game on a real pitch,used to play ''VASATI & ZOOO'' with their dokhtar khale and pesar amoos till age of 15 but turned to be a fan of barca or ManUnited,etc.

I had the same experience with GHOTBI experience in perspolis. I simply waited for the 1st leg of the season and then posted a thread saying ghotbi is really crap. so many ppl blindly supported the guy despite all the short comings . Ghotbi showed his true picture when he left the club without saying a goodbye to his players and then accused them of receiving intentional goals in order to smooth his sacking from PP.
The guy was/is a simple video analysor who used to work for a software company experting in coaching software. Ghotbi once brough his laptop to 90 and showed how the software works but ppl still thought as if this guy was the major technical source for GUUS !!!

happy to be here as a member
chak

Ali jan,

Good points, I think we are on the right track to have a forum that everyone can freely express their thoughts. As for the quick discussion we had about locking this very thread, the whole point, IMO was to stay unbiased and discuss issues. We don't want to deviate from that.

Anyway, anything goes, football, science, politics, you name it. Hope to see you around often.

p.s., I apologize for editing your post, I just wanted to edit the incorrect reference to Persian Gulf, in case someone was directed/redirected to the site.
editing is fine with me. I will keep that in mind next time i need to refer to our ''DISH DASH EH'' poosh neighbors

Thats what bothers me a lot. So many ppl including admins who have no idea what they are talking about except bla bla bla.Too many armchair fans,too many biased members,too many stupid mazhabi members.

That's the current problem with IMO some of the ISP people. Their egos have gotten to their heads. They are at best armchair fans and have little to zero real knowledge of what it really takes to play and coach at that level. Forget at that level...even amateur level. As harsh as that sounds, that's the absolute truth. And I know some of them will read this thread. Whilst I value some of their opinions, as fans, they are no authority and some of the stuff they churn out can be cringe-worthy. Especially when it is written in grade-six English :p.

Yet they pander about with generalisation after generalisation about the situation/topic. Opinions are fine - everybody has an opinion - but when you get so strung up that you are propagating something, almost purposely, then you've gone too far. And to be honest, I noticed myself playing that same game too just to keep up because it got that silly.

Some of the slack Ali got for his less than flattering words for Ghotbi were ridiculous. Let's say you're in such a minority that you are the only person on the entire site to believe whatever belief it is that keeps you in that minority. You will attract members who will disagree and may be even harsh. But when the "authorities" on the site are engaging you and being insulting - not just in tone, but using insults - ...that's just going too far.

That's the current problem with IMO some of the ISP people. Their egos have gotten to their heads. They are at best armchair fans and have little to zero real knowledge of what it really takes to play and coach at that level. Forget at that level...even amateur level. As harsh as that sounds, that's the absolute truth. And I know some of them will read this thread. Whilst I value some of their opinions, as fans, they are no authority and some of the stuff they churn out can be cringe-worthy. Especially when it is written in grade-six English :p.

Yet they pander about with generalisation after generalisation about the situation/topic. Opinions are fine - everybody has an opinion - but when you get so strung up that you are propagating something, almost purposely, then you've gone too far. And to be honest, I noticed myself playing that same game too just to keep up because it got that silly.

Some of the slack Ali got for his less than flattering words for Ghotbi were ridiculous. Let's say you're in such a minority that you are the only person on the entire site to believe whatever belief it is that keeps you in that minority. You will attract members who will disagree and may be even harsh. But when the "authorities" on the site are engaging you and being insulting - not just in tone, but using insults - ...that's just going too far.

well I wasnt the only one but I was the 1st one who had the gutts to open a thread while PP was leading the table and saying Ghotbi has no knowledge of coaching and he better stick to his former job as an analysor.

It takes more time for other ppl to realise some stuff..I am okay with that but denial is what gets on my nerve.

As you said few admin actually used the chalemeidooni words which suits themselves rather going on my nerve. As far as I know admins usually do not get involved in the discussions but it was sth else with ISP.

The funny part was the time I contacted almost every single of the admins and asked who is responsible for banning the members and nobody got the guts to accept his/her role in the forum. what a circus!!

ISP admins have a variety of skills: from collecting pictures of women's breast in different angles to those who could post 35000 posts in less than 6 years!!man that is 15 posts EACH DAY. Thats why I always suggested doing 35000 roopaei could lead anyone to TM .lol
and last but not least the valuable admin who is french but cant speak the language and thinks Matcovic WAS THE BEST FOREIGN coach who has ever worked in perspolis fc!! no matter if the guy got sacked after 5 month when PP played its worst football and our valuable admin member was only 9 years old when discovered this .!!! khodaya be ki bayad shekayat bord akhe

Ghotbi certainlyhad a lot of fanatics supporters on ISP. But I am sure that this support is not confined to the members of ISP. But if you talk to many perspolis fans you find that many of them think he is god.
To me it shows how little we think of ourselves when a video analyser with no background in football is thought of higher than a veteran in our own country. It seems to be enough that he has worked abroad under some big name coach.

Last time I was in Iran one perspolis fan who is a friend of mine said to me "even if he cleaned the toilets under Hiddink, he is better than what we have already in Iran"!!!!!

That tells you everything really.

Ghotbi certainlyhad a lot of fanatics supporters on ISP. But I am sure that this support is not confined to the members of ISP. But if you talk to many perspolis fans you find that many of them think he is god.
To me it shows how little we think of ourselves when a video analyser with no background in football is thought of higher than a veteran in our own country. It seems to be enough that he has worked abroad under some big name coach.

Last time I was in Iran one perspolis fan who is a friend of mine said to me "even if he cleaned the toilets under Hiddink, he is better than what we have already in Iran"!!!!!

That tells you everything really.

Behrooz jan
tell me about it dadash.
Our hamvatans have lost it completely. The ghotbi issue is like never ending story but in a non amusing way.The more you think and talk about it.the more you are putting ur health under pressure. Im getting older and heart strokes aint any kinda to ppl like me.

I am happy pp have a decent coach at the moment. some ppl cant distinguish diff between a coach and a wizard. Vingada is no wizard. the guy has improved the team and no one can doubt that. I have heard some very serious changes will happen in the next coming weeks in PP as so many players are being replaced by younger players. Karim bagheri,pejman noori,sepehr heidari,badamaki, and last but not least nikbakht will leave the team soon.
chak

Wow, a very frank discussion and from the heart dard-o-del. I apologize in advance about the over-simplification, but as far as I'm concerned, there are 2 types of people in this world. The ones that realize there is more than one side, one perspective if you will, to every isse, and the ones that don't. And I've learnt that there's no point trying to get the latter to acknowledge other perspectives- it's just a waste of time and better to just move on and find people, real friends who appreciate the views you can offer them. So, let's focus on finding more people that fit in the first category and have some fun, learn something new and not get stressed out in the process.

Wow, a very frank discussion and from the heart dard-o-del. I apologize in advance about the over-simplification, but as far as I'm concerned, there are 2 types of people in this world. The ones that realize there is more than one side, one perspective if you will, to every isse, and the ones that don't. And I've learnt that there's no point trying to get the latter to acknowledge other perspectives- it's just a waste of time and better to just move on and find people, real friends who appreciate the views you can offer them. So, let's focus on finding more people that fit in the first category and have some fun, learn something new and not get stressed out in the process.

Behrou jan
If you ignore the 2nd type of ppl as you suggested,the result is sth called IRAN.
70 MILLION ppl living in ignorance and chose AN to do a ''dahan kaji' to rafsanjani. totally khar ghebresi style IMO.
just go to iran and ask someone what was the last book you have read and you are going to be shocked if not dead with the answer.
I think ISLAMIC republic IS DOING A FANTASTIC job. simply pushing educated ppl like urself to live in canada and europe and live in the ghorbat when no one ( even some fellow internet buddies) wont listen to you and on the other hand let the ordinary ppl to live with those like ghotbi,GN and keep themselves busy with khatami,abdolah noori and the rest of the band.

We wont get anywhere with this . I have tried so many times in the past to start a debate with mazhabi members at isp. I remember opening a thread and asking how ppl think about '' ZEID IBN HARESE'' and mohamad and the the story but our mazhabi members simply ignored all the references( its funny since even sunni ppl believe the story).

we can give up or simply continue to fight back. ignorance has no limits among some ppl.

I hate to see how our younger generation have no clue about history,art,music,etc and prefer to collect women's breast pictures and go to gym so their mummy and dady are happy.
I hate to see our younger generation need farsi translation for the post at isp.
I hate to see my beloved iran being raped by mullas and our younger generation sit still and do nothing
chak

Behrou jan
If you ignore the 2nd type of ppl as you suggested,the result is sth called IRAN.
70 MILLION ppl living in ignorance and chose AN to do a ''dahan kaji' to rafsanjani. totally khar ghebresi style IMO.
just go to iran and ask someone what was the last book you have read and you are going to be shocked if not dead with the answer.
I think ISLAMIC republic IS DOING A FANTASTIC job. simply pushing educated ppl like urself to live in canada and europe and live in the ghorbat when no one ( even some fellow internet buddies) wont listen to you and on the other hand let the ordinary ppl to live with those like ghotbi,GN and keep themselves busy with khatami,abdolah noori and the rest of the band.

We wont get anywhere with this . I have tried so many times in the past to start a debate with mazhabi members at isp. I remember opening a thread and asking how ppl think about '' ZEID IBN HARESE'' and mohamad and the the story but our mazhabi members simply ignored all the references( its funny since even sunni ppl believe the story).

we can give up or simply continue to fight back. ignorance has no limits among some ppl.

I hate to see how our younger generation have no clue about history,art,music,etc and prefer to collect women's breast pictures and go to gym so their mummy and dady are happy.
I hate to see our younger generation need farsi translation for the post at isp.
I hate to see my beloved iran being raped by mullas and our younger generation sit still and do nothing
chak

I also agree with Behrou. Ali jan, the problem with Iran is not just ignoring the clueless. There are a lot of issues that contributed to it.
What Behrou was trying to say is that if you find yourself arguing with someone who keeps disagreeing with you, over and over, that is OK. It might be impossible to change their mindset with just a discussion. So, the best strategy would be to move on. Otherwise, you become one of those, who refuses to accept that there may be others with a different perspective.

Although I agree with you to some extent Alila jaan, I don't think the situations is really that bad. Yes, I've come across that second group among Iranian more often than not. But I've also come across the first group enough to know that there are plenty of open-minded and truly intellectual Iranians. We managed to gather about 40 of them here in a couple of weeks, didn't we?! ;)

Behrou jan
If you ignore the 2nd type of ppl as you suggested,the result is sth called IRAN.
70 MILLION ppl living in ignorance and chose AN to do a ''dahan kaji' to rafsanjani. totally khar ghebresi style IMO.
just go to iran and ask someone what was the last book you have read and you are going to be shocked if not dead with the answer.
I think ISLAMIC republic IS DOING A FANTASTIC job. simply pushing educated ppl like urself to live in canada and europe and live in the ghorbat when no one ( even some fellow internet buddies) wont listen to you and on the other hand let the ordinary ppl to live with those like ghotbi,GN and keep themselves busy with khatami,abdolah noori and the rest of the band.

We wont get anywhere with this . I have tried so many times in the past to start a debate with mazhabi members at isp. I remember opening a thread and asking how ppl think about '' ZEID IBN HARESE'' and mohamad and the the story but our mazhabi members simply ignored all the references( its funny since even sunni ppl believe the story).

we can give up or simply continue to fight back. ignorance has no limits among some ppl.

I hate to see how our younger generation have no clue about history,art,music,etc and prefer to collect women's breast pictures and go to gym so their mummy and dady are happy.
1.I hate to see our younger generation need farsi translation for the post at isp.
2.I hate to see my beloved iran being raped by mullas and our younger generation sit still and do nothing
chak
1. I am sorry to say that I left Iran at the age of 5 and regret not being able to read farsi, I am going to try to learn it when I make the time but I dont think I can be blamed for not being able to read it and its amazing that I even can speak it seeing that the only person I talked Farsi with was my mom (Having no Family in Holland) and I moved out now so I dont even have that anymore.

2.Nobody does something, not only the younger generation and I do include myself and actually almost every Iranian. We all speak behind the computer or with friends even but what do we do and dont only blame it on the young generation bc the old generation created the problem to begin with (not everyone I agree but still). The best thing we can think of is not voting and I always have to defend my country against other people saying that its people arent bad, but the government is, but I dont have enough to work with bc I cant explain them why if the mayority are good people, bad fuckers are running our country. And I cant really explain us not voting neither bc in the end it doesnt work. The only people accasionally doing something are our women and also the older ladies. I personnaly dont have any answers, I can only think of two things and both are not good options; one is getting attacked by america or any other country (wich I really dont want bc it will lead to innocent deaths and no certainty that a good fundation will be laid) and the other is waiting for the old generation to die ( I am saddened to say both of these things). It would be great if the people would start a revolution and appose the government or we would get a good presedent and maybe sepparate religion and state but I dont know if we have enough balls.

I also agree with Behrou. Ali jan, the problem with Iran is not just ignoring the clueless. There are a lot of issues that contributed to it.
What Behrou was trying to say is that if you find yourself arguing with someone who keeps disagreeing with you, over and over, that is OK. It might be impossible to change their mindset with just a discussion. So, the best strategy would be to move on. Otherwise, you become one of those, who refuses to accept that there may be others with a different perspective.

Words of wisdom Pedram jan. I must admit I feel I have/had become what you described.

On that note, I wish to apologise to Ali agha (alila), for last time I remember I argued something with him I took more liberties with aggressive words than I would have otherwise.

That wasn't here I hope Kazem jaan :(

No mate, on ISP.

Stop advertising (or would it be disadvertising?!) for ISP ;)

LOL the whole thread name is ISP and Its even our most active thread, I think we should atleast change the thread name.

I also agree with Behrou. Ali jan, the problem with Iran is not just ignoring the clueless. There are a lot of issues that contributed to it.
What Behrou was trying to say is that if you find yourself arguing with someone who keeps disagreeing with you, over and over, that is OK. It might be impossible to change their mindset with just a discussion. So, the best strategy would be to move on. Otherwise, you become one of those, who refuses to accept that there may be others with a different perspective.

There is sth called LOGIC which is a forgotten word in farsi dictionary.This is what we need to teach to our children and hope they realize it to some extents.
It doesnt matter if you are talking about football or politics or religion or ......
if you follow a logical path to the debate,there shouldn't be a problem.

chak

1. I am sorry to say that I left Iran at the age of 5 and regret not being able to read farsi, I am going to try to learn it when I make the time but I dont think I can be blamed for not being able to read it and its amazing that I even can speak it seeing that the only person I talked Farsi with was my mom (Having no Family in Holland) and I moved out now so I dont even have that anymore.

2.Nobody does something, not only the younger generation and I do include myself and actually almost every Iranian. We all speak behind the computer or with friends even but what do we do and dont only blame it on the young generation bc the old generation created the problem to begin with (not everyone I agree but still). The best thing we can think of is not voting and I always have to defend my country against other people saying that its people arent bad, but the government is, but I dont have enough to work with bc I cant explain them why if the mayority are good people, bad fuckers are running our country. And I cant really explain us not voting neither bc in the end it doesnt work. The only people accasionally doing something are our women and also the older ladies. I personnaly dont have any answers, I can only think of two things and both are not good options; one is getting attacked by america or any other country (wich I really dont want bc it will lead to innocent deaths and no certainty that a good fundation will be laid) and the other is waiting for the old generation to die ( I am saddened to say both of these things). It would be great if the people would start a revolution and appose the government or we would get a good presedent and maybe sepparate religion and state but I dont know if we have enough balls.


kasra jan

I never blamed younger generation for not being able to read or write farsi. Infact if someone should be blamed it is the older generation who led them to this point.
The older generation will grow grey sooner or later and become grandpas and grandmas but without a proper foundation nothing gonna happen.

Just try to educate yourself about your culture/history/music/art with proper readinggggggg and avoid internet as much as you can.
Im sure the future could be bright
chak

Words of wisdom Pedram jan. I must admit I feel I have/had become what you described.

On that note, I wish to apologise to Ali agha (alila), for last time I remember I argued something with him I took more liberties with aggressive words than I would have otherwise.

Its ok kazem jan. I never took them personally.
I know you are becoming a lawyer and its a bit stressful..besides ESTEGHLAL is doing crap these days and I feel for you bro lol

There is sth called LOGIC which is a forgotten word in farsi dictionary.This is what we need to teach to our children and hope they realize it to some extents.
It doesnt matter if you are talking about football or politics or religion or ......
if you follow a logical path to the debate,there shouldn't be a problem.

chak


Ali jan, I am sure everyone has some sort of logic, or at least he/she thinks so. There are very few things in this world that everyone agrees on. There are also very few things in this world that we know everything about. One might hear one side of the story, another may hear the other side. Or we might make a lot of assumptions along the way.
That is how opinions are formed. In the end how logical one's view might be or how illogical someone else's view might be should not allow anyone to insult the other.

Here is the latest dasteh gol of ISP:
In the prediction leagues they are advertising that every month they give out prizes of $10 and a month of free streaming for the winners of each month. Apparently I have won the International Prediction league for the last month and they have been ignoring me for the last week or so. PMed Pooya and he hasn't responded to me. This page is turning into all the complains for the ISP people and I am sure they come and check this page often. So, hopefully they read this and even if they don't want to give me the prize they should have the courtesy of responding to my messages.

You might want to send a PM to Bi-Honar on ISP Pedram jaan. I'm sure that will get to them faster! ;)

You might want to send a PM to Bi-Honar on ISP Pedram jaan. I'm sure that will get to them faster! ;)

Actually, I don't know if this is the reason or not. But shortly after I posted this complain here, Pooya got back to me and is in the process of paying me $10.

You might want to send a PM to Bi-Honar on ISP Pedram jaan. I'm sure that will get to them faster! ;)

hahahahahaha!

Actually, I don't know if this is the reason or not. But shortly after I posted this complain here, Pooya got back to me and is in the process of paying me $10.

They are here all the time, you can check the IP's of the guests and when they go to the ISP thread with a couple of members at a time you'll know, Pooya told me to tell you that you sent the pm on 17th and and forum was closed for 2 days and he replied to you today, so he wasnt trying to ignore you, atleast these are his words.

They are here all the time, you can check the IP's of the guests and when they go to the ISP thread with a couple of members at a time you'll know, Pooya told me to tell you that you sent the pm on 17th and and forum was closed for 2 days and he replied to you today, so he wasnt trying to ignore you, atleast these are his words.

I'd buy that.
There is no need to give an indirect message. He is visiting our site anyways, why not just post a message and clear it up himself? He is welcome to post here if he wants to.

They are here all the time, you can check the IP's of the guests and when they go to the ISP thread with a couple of members at a time you'll know, Pooya told me to tell you that you sent the pm on 17th and and forum was closed for 2 days and he replied to you today, so he wasnt trying to ignore you, atleast these are his words.
OK, I sent him the PM on the 16th not 17th. Just a minor correction.

kasra jan

I never blamed younger generation for not being able to read or write farsi. Infact if someone should be blamed it is the older generation who led them to this point.
The older generation will grow grey sooner or later and become grandpas and grandmas but without a proper foundation nothing gonna happen.

Just try to educate yourself about your culture/history/music/art with proper readinggggggg and avoid internet as much as you can.
Im sure the future could be bright
chak

I blame the younger generation and I"ll give you an example. Nobody taught me Persian/Farsi but I just finished the first and 2nd grade myself by taking courses at Santa Monica college. I'll continue taking more courses once I finish my Navy boot camp. If you want something bad enough go out and grab it don't wait for soemone to give it to you that's my motto. I was born and raised in the United States but I promise one day I will fluently be able to read Persian. I'm getting better and better at it every day.

I am waiting to see, why I got banned this time, I think ISP'ers follow this thread a lot, so guys I hope its something decent this time, getting acussed wrongfully gets boring after a while.

I am waiting to see, why I got banned this time, I think ISP'ers follow this thread a lot, so guys I hope its something decent this time, getting acussed wrongfully gets boring after a while.

Hey bro now that I'm banned I have nothing to lose and I wear it as a badge of honor. To me I think this is basically a dictatorship at ISP the old Iranian mentality of how dare you criticize me as Kaz jan elluded to earlier. Getting wrongfully accused is nothing new but I love the zero tolerance policy lol. First time offense banned for six months second time ofense banned for good. In every other forum at least they give you some chances geez. I know I said I won't bring them up but when you said that you got banned again that upset me bro.

they replaced www.theiranianforums.com to disney.go.com/mickey for me..!! lol

Good to see you Amirrr, your avatars are legendary :D

they replaced www.theiranianforums.com to disney.go.com/mickey for me..!! lol

lol You can't mess with the Disney empire.

Hello again, everyone. I finally got a chance to come to the internet cafe again. My account also is banned at ISP. It says I have multiple accounts, but I only had one! Now, I am starting to see what you guys are talking about. And their responses was so mean. I thought you said they were cool? he he

Anyway, I moved to Ankara because you know how hard it is to be a homo-sexual male in Iran. It is good to be in a place where people don't judge and think you are less, because you are not the same as everyone else. Thank you for giving me the chance to be here.

Edited: Sorry Hassankachal... No insults here in this site!

Hasan agha you picked the wrong site to troll.

Hasan agha, I would say people at ISP are in the whole very cool. I don't have any complaints about any of them. What we have complained about is the way the forum is run, the policies of banning people without explanation, and not individual personalities.

Hasan Agha I dont think this is the way to talk about ISP and they do have a lot of good members, I havent had any problems with them in the past, but I got banned twice in a short period without good reasons.

Katchal jan, stay away from "Babe of the day thread" there are some nasty stuff in there that you wouldn't like.

By the way, we love diversity, feel free to email your friends in Qazvin our URL. :)

I am very sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone. I have also been banned without the right explanation and letting you all know.

Edited: Sorry Hassankachal... No insults here in this site!

Amir Jan, you avatar maro divoneh kardeh. That is one perfect, perfect thing.

I am very sorry, I don't mean to offend anyone. I have also been banned without the right explanation and letting you all know.

Edited: Sorry Hassankachal... No insults here in this site!


Na baba, There is nothing wrong with being Homosexual and we arent the ones to judge you on that, I just figured the guy in question might take it the wrong way.

Amir Jan, you avatar maro divoneh kardeh. That is one perfect, perfect thing.

You are not the only one.:spinface:

As an avid authority on the subject matter, I can tell you without shadow of a doubt that is one fine :movethatass:

Hi guys, I'm new here, hehe. I was looking for some Iranian forums and found you on Google. I was just wondering who, what or where this ISP is? I'm guessing it is not an internet service provider, or is it? And what is theur relationship to Toysrus. Isn't that a big store in the US?

Edited: Sorry... No insults here in this site!

Thank you for the explanation Mr. Kaesra. Coming from Iran, I have dealed with this problem before many time. As example, if I ask you if you are black and you take offence to that, it means that you are racist, not that I am trying to be offending you. Do I make sense?

... I just figured the guy in question might take it the wrong way.

Kasra jan, I think he has been taking the wrong way.

Hassan jan, not to worry, you are among friends here. No one cares about your or anyone elses' preferences. Enjoy your stay. :wavetowel2:

Thank you for the explanation Mr. Kaesra. Coming from Iran, I have dealed with this problem before many time. As example, if I ask you if you are black and you take offence to that, it means that you are racist, not that I am trying to be offending you. Do I make sense?

I understand what you mean, but its commonly perceived as an insult to call someone a homosexual, but I get that you didnt mean it that way.

Hasan jaan, especially considering the environment you come from, you should know that these types of questions are best asked in private and from the person you have in mind, not on a public forum.

I do sympathize with you being banned from ISP and understand your point about asking someone's race, but you should also know that here in the West, it may actually be considered offencive to ask someone's place of origin, race or sexual orientation - and that's even in private.

So, I hope that you will respect that point of view knowing that many of us now live in Western countries and have learnt to incorporate these sensitivities into our own personal culture - of course that's all the while respecting your right for self expression and as far as your sexual orientation is concerned. As such, I hope you will refrain from any such comments in the future.

I have had the privilage of being banned from every forum I have been on except this one. But then again I'm fairly new here.

I have had the privilage of being banned from every forum I have been on except this one. But then again I'm fairly new here.

hahaha think positive man self fulfilling prophecy dude. Welcome bro I remember you from PFDC

Dear Friends,

To alleviate some of the concerns you are having about your accounts and privacy at ISP, I felt that it was best to take this issue up in an open and friendly letter with the owner of ISP's domain name, Mr. Behrang Sohrabi. For your information, I am including the contents of this letter here:


----- Original Message -----

From: Beh G.
To: behrang@iransportspress.com
Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2009 11:37 AM
Subject: Matters of Great Concern


Behrang jaan,

During our last conversation, you had mentioned that you are not involved in the day to day operation of Iran Sports Press and as such I wanted to bring a few very important issues to your attention. I sincerely hope these matters have simply been an oversight and that your involvement can bring a quick and satisfactory resolution for all the parties involved.

As you may know, myself and several old and respected ISP members decided to leave the site as the number of incidents involving censorship, disrespectful and often flagrant remarks from ISP staff, dismissal of members without explanation, and lack of response from your team, seemed to be increasing ever more rapidly.

As most of us had always thought of ISP as a great hang-out with great people, we tried effortlessly to bring the matter to the attention of the ISP administrative team – albeit without luck and most often without any response whatsoever. As I’m sure you can appreciate, we decided to create a new hang-out, a place where we would be appreciated and our opinions mattered, and a place where we could discuss any topic with friendship and respect toward one another.

Our doors have always been open to every member of ISP, including the staff, and our invitation will remain open indefinitely. After all, it is only through co-operation and building bridges that Iranian communities across the world can prosper and look toward a better future. Despite all that and to our great disappointment, we have watched ISP’s reaction to this matter go from unbecoming to offensive, then unethical and finally and unfortunately to what may even be considered illegal.

Again, my hope is that this has simply been an oversight rather than an intentional and malicious act by any member of your staff. As you are aware, the term “private” in Private Message (PM), implies “privacy”, the invasion of which is a serious violation of ethical code (worldwide) and more specifically a legal issue both in Canada and the US. The ISP staff has now intercepted and breached several members’ private messages – including my own. Although we have been very reserved on this issue, this is a matter of grave concern to the members involved.

Furthermore, rather than banning several members (including myself), the ISP staff have changed our passwords and the e-mail address on file, essentially taking over – or if I can be more accurate – stealing an online identity. Although, you may not be aware of the recent court ruling in Canada, online identities are now considered to be directly associated with the real identity of a person and this act could very well be considered identity theft. Again, our approach to this matter is that it has simply been an oversight and a lack of knowledge of such legal matters by ISP staff, rather than a malicious act.

Another area, which although not related to any of us in any way, may be of great concern to you, is the amount of control the ISP staff is exerting on the opinions expressed in your forums. We are obviously in the same boat on this issue and I just wanted to let you know that US courts are now treating discussion forums in 2 different categories with different degrees of liability. If the forum is controlling the flow of information to some great extent, they will be considered a “publisher” rather than a discussion board and as such may be held liable for the information and opinions expressed on their site, often requiring explicit disclaimers in specific threads, etc. This last paragraph is of course just information sharing among friends.

As for the other two issues, we look forward to your response and hope that we can all put this matter behind us with a resolution satisfactory to all parties involved, and work on building a future of co-operation and information exchange as well as transfer of expertise among the two teams.

Kindest regards,
Behrou G.

hahaha think positive man self fulfilling prophecy dude. Welcome bro I remember you from PFDC

Yes, I remember you too.

I had an exchange of emails with the ISP staff asking why I was banned and not able to access my gold package that I paid for and here is the only response that I got from them.
My first email:
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Dear ISP admin,

I have been a member of ISP for the last 7 years and I am a paid package holder. For some reason, I cannot access my account and my IP address has been blocked. Please provide a detailed explanation as to what the problem is and fix the problem as soon as possible.

Regards,
Pedram
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Their response:
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Dear Pedram,

Following your recent activities on the forum in the past 24 - 48 hours, which included advertising, we have decided that you are not welcome on ISP anymore.

We have issued you with a refund of your package, and have blocked your account.

ISP

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My response to them:
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Dear ISP admin,

I am very sure that I have not done any advertising on the ISP, and what is the other activity? Please be more specific as to what other activity I have done that is not to your liking. I was not looking to receive a refund as I would still like to use the package. If you accuse me of an illegal or unethical activity, please provide reference as to what that is, because I know that I have not done anything illegal.
However, I have to say that yesterday, when I tried to log into my account, my regular password didn't work and I had to reset my password to recover it. Please look into your logs and see if you can figure out who might have changed my password without my permission, since identity theft is a serious crime and you guys as the admins should be very concerned if such activity takes place on your site.

Regards,
Pedram
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Their response to me:
Nothing.... And they haven't refunded me either. Even though they mention that they have already refunded me, it is not true. I haven't seen anything from them.
And mind you, what they claim to be advertising, is that I sent a PM to Fole Penalt that said we are not on ISP anymore and if you want to find us, you can search for us on the web. And the suspicious activity is that I visited the home page of a few ISP users.

Let's hope they didn't forward your name as a potential terrorist to the FBI.

I guess we'll have to add "failure to issue refunds" to the list along with those couple of felonies Pedram jaan. ;)

Don't be upset though Pedram jaan. At the end of the day, one really has to appreciate the comical value in the hypocracy of it all. About a month ago, I got reamed and practically labelled a racist by one of the staff over there for joking about Qatar police purchasing a Lamborghini to patrol the streets of Doha! Funny enough since you don't even have Lamborghinis patrolling the Auto Bhan, right?

Well, "Dirty arabs", "I say f**k them", "bastards", "k.... amme harchi arabe" seemed to be the order of the day today and apparently no one found the comments racist! I heard a staff member even joined in the festivities! ;)

....Well, "Dirty arabs", "I say f**k them", "bastards", "k.... amme harchi arabe" seemed to be the order of the day today and apparently no one found the comments racist! I heard a staff member even joined in the festivities! ;)

Oh my, are you serious?

And they banned me for joking with sardar pasdar to share some of his surplus IQ with that retard, aliMR. :showass5:

LOL. Yeah, I was actually thinking about that too earlier.

Looking at the bright side of things though, if it wasn't for you getting banned because of that, Kaz's critique getting deleted or the very rude comment toward Sly, we souldn't have this wonderful site to hang-out with so many wonderful people, some of whom were missing and missed elsewhere. :)

I am the most wonderful of them.

LOL. Yeah, I was gonna say that, but then I remebered our little conversation on chat earlier about you losing your MOJO ;)

I had an exchange of emails with the ISP staff asking why I was banned and not able to access my gold package that I paid for and here is the only response that I got from them.
My first email:
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Dear ISP admin,

I have been a member of ISP for the last 7 years and I am a paid package holder. For some reason, I cannot access my account and my IP address has been blocked. Please provide a detailed explanation as to what the problem is and fix the problem as soon as possible.

Regards,
Pedram
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Their response:
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Dear Pedram,

Following your recent activities on the forum in the past 24 - 48 hours, which included advertising, we have decided that you are not welcome on ISP anymore.

We have issued you with a refund of your package, and have blocked your account.

ISP

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My response to them:
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Dear ISP admin,

I am very sure that I have not done any advertising on the ISP, and what is the other activity? Please be more specific as to what other activity I have done that is not to your liking. I was not looking to receive a refund as I would still like to use the package. If you accuse me of an illegal or unethical activity, please provide reference as to what that is, because I know that I have not done anything illegal.
However, I have to say that yesterday, when I tried to log into my account, my regular password didn't work and I had to reset my password to recover it. Please look into your logs and see if you can figure out who might have changed my password without my permission, since identity theft is a serious crime and you guys as the admins should be very concerned if such activity takes place on your site.

Regards,
Pedram
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Their response to me:
Nothing.... And they haven't refunded me either. Even though they mention that they have already refunded me, it is not true. I haven't seen anything from them.
And mind you, what they claim to be advertising, is that I sent a PM to Fole Penalt that said we are not on ISP anymore and if you want to find us, you can search for us on the web. And the suspicious activity is that I visited the home page of a few ISP users.


I find it highly ironic that they get offended when they are accused of IR style tactics. There is so many IR style tactics in there one doesn't know where to begin. But I guess this is no longer just an accuation but a clear fact.

I'm a mod on IK and it takes a lot for you to get a six month ban there. I think on your first offense you get a warning, on a second offense you get a yellow card, on a thrid offense you might get a red card and like a few days ban, on the fourth offense you might get a two week ban, on a fifth offense you migh get a two week ban, and finally you would get a six month ban or a final ban if the problem continues.

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Really ??? is not the way I remember it , you banned members and delete members posts left right and centre ! maybe kaz could refresh your memory !

halla oomadi az khodet taarif ham mikoni ,if it is so good there what are you doing here and on ISP then ?
:Ban-Cha::DrEvil:

Really ??? is not the way I remember it , you banned members and delete members posts left right and centre ! maybe kaz could refresh your memory !

halla oomadi az khodet taarif ham mikoni ,if it is so good there what are you doing here and on ISP then ?
:Ban-Cha::DrEvil:
Thank you!!!

sherwin jaan please take it a bit easy when insulting the ISP members. thats really not what we want here.

yeah he is right. leave the idiots alone.

The pending issue is that (this is addressed to those who don't have benefits running from The Islamic Republic of Iran, directly, or indirectly, going into their pockets, if you are one of these creatures STOP READING),

as i was saying before i interrupted myself, the point remains-the ethical and moral point that is-to be that how much are you contributing to endorsement of IR policies by posting in forums such as Islamic Sports Press. (ISP).

I know you guys like to go there because its crowded and you have mates there and overall it is more fun for some to be there rather in a less crowded forum where there are not many sharing your exact interests.

Resist the temptation and don't post there. It is not a matter on whether IR has influence over ISP, it is that HOW MUCH of that influence is reflected by owners and admins such as Behrang, Ali, Niloofar, Fariborz (aka Real Madrid).

To me these beings (if you can call them beings) directly in some cases and indirectly have grave financial interests in the IR and cannot jepordize their status by creating a free, democratic atmosphere in which ideas can be exchanged in any shape and form.

Beware that toilet products such as Reza, Ashtar and Esamani are just the crap that gets stuck under toe nails after a long jog on a sweaty day. It is Behrang and the rest of those Papier-Mache puppets that Orally satisfy the Islamic Republic by endorsing their spy network in the cyberspace.

Idiots like Pooya might have a good heart but are too stupid to see that they are using their intelligence -(and in case of Pooya who instigated this ip (corruption/redirection) probably by a few lines in mySQL-to be slaves of islamist and the corruptors of mind and life.

I was shocked to see BT return, absolutely shocked. But then again life has its suprises.

KP welcome to the forums. I don't understand your post though. I don't see much in the ISP staff's contributions to make them IR sympathisers or propagandists. Could you give examples?

...


I may have had issues with ISP censoring people and not resolving their issues but I wouldn't go that far and call them IRI agents or use insults like that.
Ashtar, Reza , and ... may have had a different views than me, but considering all the crap they received from other members they handled themselves very well. It would have been nice if a whole lot of other people with different views than ashtar and reza learned to discuss issues more respectfully.

I had an exchange of emails with the ISP staff asking why I was banned and not able to access my gold package that I paid for and here is the only response that I got from them.
My first email:
--------------------
Dear ISP admin,

I have been a member of ISP for the last 7 years and I am a paid package holder. For some reason, I cannot access my account and my IP address has been blocked. Please provide a detailed explanation as to what the problem is and fix the problem as soon as possible.

Regards,
Pedram
------------------------
Their response:
------------------------
Dear Pedram,

Following your recent activities on the forum in the past 24 - 48 hours, which included advertising, we have decided that you are not welcome on ISP anymore.

We have issued you with a refund of your package, and have blocked your account.

ISP

-----------------
My response to them:
--------------------
Dear ISP admin,

I am very sure that I have not done any advertising on the ISP, and what is the other activity? Please be more specific as to what other activity I have done that is not to your liking. I was not looking to receive a refund as I would still like to use the package. If you accuse me of an illegal or unethical activity, please provide reference as to what that is, because I know that I have not done anything illegal.
However, I have to say that yesterday, when I tried to log into my account, my regular password didn't work and I had to reset my password to recover it. Please look into your logs and see if you can figure out who might have changed my password without my permission, since identity theft is a serious crime and you guys as the admins should be very concerned if such activity takes place on your site.

Regards,
Pedram
-----------------------

Their response to me:
Nothing.... And they haven't refunded me either. Even though they mention that they have already refunded me, it is not true. I haven't seen anything from them.
And mind you, what they claim to be advertising, is that I sent a PM to Fole Penalt that said we are not on ISP anymore and if you want to find us, you can search for us on the web. And the suspicious activity is that I visited the home page of a few ISP users.

By the way, to clarify, I received a partial refund of my package from ISP. The date on the refund shows it was done before the above post. But I didn't see it on my paypal account when I posted the above message.
My other complaints still stand but the issue with package refund is resolved for me.

I may have had issues with ISP censoring people and not resolving their issues but I wouldn't go that far and call them IRI agents or use insults like that.
Ashtar, Reza , and ... may have had a different views than me, but considering all the crap they received from other members they handled themselves very well. It would have been nice if a whole lot of other people with different views than ashtar and reza learned to discuss issues more respectfully.

Yeah, I always thought Ashtar was a good guy, albeit a little misinformed at times and frankly felt bad for him taking all that unnecessary crap from everyone just because he had different views. He was always polite enough at least to try and respond to the point being brought up.

As for Reza, he was there for one reason and one reason only and that was to promote the so-called advancements of the Islamic Republic from "Aftabeh Saazi" and being a "Nokar" of the Great Satan to Nuclear Technolgy and exporting wheat. His commnet that "you are free to express yourself within the framework of Islam" showed that he had little respect for those who didn't share his ideologies and I think that lack of respect was reciprocated by many people. Of course, in most instances those people were banned and he continued to play the part of the IR propoganda machine.

And then there were people like AliMR and Member-du-jeur whose only purpose was to mock people and try to cause problems. No matter how hard you try to engage people like that in an atmosphere where they are allowed to do what they want, when they want, you come out looking like an idiot. Frankly, I have a hard time respecting those who have no respect for others.

All we can do on this site is to try and create an environment where we can engage people of all beliefs and backgrounds, without alienating anyone, and hope that in the process we can ALL learn a thing or two - rather than making any issue about US and THEM as the great Pink Floyd song goes.

I may have had issues with ISP censoring people and not resolving their issues but I wouldn't go that far and call them IRI agents or use insults like that.
Ashtar, Reza , and ... may have had a different views than me, but considering all the crap they received from other members they handled themselves very well. It would have been nice if a whole lot of other people with different views than ashtar and reza learned to discuss issues more respectfully.

Yes they do handle themselves very well.

Handle themselves very well ???? Ajab.

It is strange, botherline science-fiction, for me to see how naive some of us are. I am sorry pj jaan but this sounds like
"Jeffery Dahmer handled himself very well at the trial" or
"While Hitler killed millions of innocent people, Catholics, Gypsies and Germans who opposed him and millions of Russians, He handled himself very well.

I have had over 15 000 posts and about 9 years at ISP and not once but several times i saw Islamic republic tactics, ISlamic republic personalities and Islamic republic signatures.

By islamic republic methods i don't mean Hezbollah tactics. I mean the secondary "tie wearing", show your tits kind of islamic implementation that is seen everyday on the streets of LA, Toronto and London.

I mean NIC and Hooshang Amir-Ahmadi kind of endorsement.

I give you an example.

Anyone who ever starts a dicussion on enlightenment and brings under scrutiny the whole idea of religion and it being JUST A TOOL USED BY internal and external traitors to exploit Iran's resources, Destroy its Geographical integrity (such as ther northern provices, Bahrain ) and our Cultural integrity the post would be mysteriously closed.

Attacks would be launched periodically against the jews, zionists, Christian fundamentalists etc etc but once someone got close to the root of problems in Iran which is the CANCER OF SHIT-ISM again the post would be closed and in most cases the person banned temporarily or permanently.

I know you might have friends there and this does not fall very well with you but as those who know me from the past, i am no kindness contest winner.

I RESPECT ASSHOLES LIKE REZA or ASHTAR because at least they are honest about their treacherous allegiances towards Arabs against their own blood.

Scumbags that have interests in Iran and see the children of that land struggle for survival under torture and misery everyday and by sticking their own heads up their ASSES and pretending nothing is happening are, imo, are as important as dried up dog shit thats been sitting in the sun for a couple of days. The kind of article that you take your best effort to affect not to be stuck to your shoes and brought home with you.

Now, they got people like RM and couple of others that by posting sports news and keeping out of politics keep clear of issues. Then you got another class of scum who come and go to Iran as they please and every time there is an execution or an uprising crashed post a reply:
"Oh this is so sad may he RIP" or "poor iranian people how much can they take"

They are as transparent as a bubble to me. All traitors, scumbags and ass lickers that have absolutely no interest other than filling their own pockets at the expense of millions in misery. These leeches are the lowest kind of lifeform, the lowest of the lowest.

Finally you have the so called LIBERAL, BORDERLINE CLOSET HEZBOLLAHIS that again have their head stuck in their rectal passage and think people are stupid by preaching:
"This is not real eslam"

yeki nist begeh akheh dayoos 14 centuries have elapsed since that arab CARAVAN RAIDER managed to kill some jews and take their belongings and became a prophet. Where is this FUCKING REAL ASLAM that you are talking about...

give me one fucking example in which REAL ASLAM has been in work...

now if you can address some of these issues then i guess we are good to go.

Yeah, I always thought Ashtar was a good guy, albeit a little misinformed at times and frankly felt bad for him taking all that unnecessary crap from everyone just because he had different views. He was always polite enough at least to try and respond to the point being brought up.

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Ashtar aka know as Sooski is a scumbag and i would like to see him in person. What you people fail to understand is that you view these sub human creatures from your looking glass.

Bi honar jaan don't think for a second scumbags like this would have an ounce of mercy on you and other open-minded democratic people such as yourself for a second.

To combat these scum you have to sink down to their level, exterminate them systematically and once that is achieved then slowly go towards a democratic society. To assume that you can discuss things, or have constructive arguments with them is a falcity.

I have had many discussions with these animals throughout the years and they all BREAK. and i am telling you they all are very easy to BREAK and extermely predictable.

When you pinch a nerve they insult FEMALE members of your family. Then they try to redicule you by using their influence in the forum and when that breaks they get Behrang or Ali to ban you.

they are bastards....:showass5:

KP welcome to the forums. I don't understand your post though. I don't see much in the ISP staff's contributions to make them IR sympathisers or propagandists. Could you give examples?

Not that i am here to give you guys examples. It is your responsibility to persue the truth but in either case you can refer to my reply above. I tried in my limited time frame to answer your question too.

Yes they do handle themselves very well.

Handle themselves very well ???? Ajab.

It is strange, botherline science-fiction, for me to see how naive some of us are. I am sorry pj jaan but this sounds like
"Jeffery Dahmer handled himself very well at the trial" or
"While Hitler killed millions of innocent people, Catholics, Gypsies and Germans who opposed him and millions of Russians, He handled himself very well.

I have had over 15 000 posts and about 9 years at ISP and not once but several times i saw Islamic republic tactics, ISlamic republic personalities and Islamic republic signatures.

By islamic republic methods i don't mean Hezbollah tactics. I mean the secondary "tie wearing", show your tits kind of islamic implementation that is seen everyday on the streets of LA, Toronto and London.

I mean NIC and Hooshang Amir-Ahmadi kind of endorsement.

I give you an example.

Anyone who ever starts a dicussion on enlightenment and brings under scrutiny the whole idea of religion and it being JUST A TOOL USED BY internal and external traitors to exploit Iran's resources, Destroy its Geographical integrity (such as ther northern provices, Bahrain ) and our Cultural integrity the post would be mysteriously closed.

Attacks would be launched periodically against the jews, zionists, Christian fundamentalists etc etc but once someone got close to the root of problems in Iran which is the CANCER OF SHIT-ISM again the post would be closed and in most cases the person banned temporarily or permanently.

I know you might have friends there and this does not fall very well with you but as those who know me from the past, i am no kindness contest winner.

I RESPECT ASSHOLES LIKE REZA or ASHTAR because at least they are honest about their treacherous allegiances towards Arabs against their own blood.

Scumbags that have interests in Iran and see the children of that land struggle for survival under torture and misery everyday and by sticking their own heads up their ASSES and pretending nothing is happening are, imo, are as important as dried up dog shit thats been sitting in the sun for a couple of days. The kind of article that you take your best effort to affect not to be stuck to your shoes and brought home with you.

Now, they got people like RM and couple of others that by posting sports news and keeping out of politics keep clear of issues. Then you got another class of scum who come and go to Iran as they please and every time there is an execution or an uprising crashed post a reply:
"Oh this is so sad may he RIP" or "poor iranian people how much can they take"

They are as transparent as a bubble to me. All traitors, scumbags and ass lickers that have absolutely no interest other than filling their own pockets at the expense of millions in misery. These leeches are the lowest kind of lifeform, the lowest of the lowest.

Finally you have the so called LIBERAL, BORDERLINE CLOSET HEZBOLLAHIS that again have their head stuck in their rectal passage and think people are stupid by preaching:
"This is not real eslam"

yeki nist begeh akheh dayoos 14 centuries have elapsed since that arab CARAVAN RAIDER managed to kill some jews and take their belongings and became a prophet. Where is this FUCKING REAL ASLAM that you are talking about...

give me one fucking example in which REAL ASLAM has been in work...

now if you can address some of these issues then i guess we are good to go.

The first rule of any forum that has any chance of survival is respect toward other users. You may hate someone's guts, but when you converse with other users you should be able to hold back on the insults.
Even if you are my best friend and you have very valid points in a discussion, the moment you start cursing the value of your posts goes to zero for me.

So keyvan pars, You say all of them at ISP are scumbags. Then who is good there? I thought you and RM (Fariborz) were good friends! This is not the way to treat your friends man.

Anyways, I agree with PJ. We do allow freedom of expression in these forums but we do not allow insults. If you want to criticize, do that. But you have to keep down your tone. I hope you can discuss things without getting personal like that in the future.

Unfortunately i tend to disagree with you gentlemen.

With regards to your question sly jaan,
yes me and fariborz used to be friends, very good friends but he chose to go down a different road and i respected that. When he started to insult me then i had to stand up for myself.

I have never been an instigator of something. If anyone has religious beliefs and they keep it private and KEPT OUT OF POLITICS then i live and let live. But once, someone in private or in public, tries to piss down my back and tell me its raining, i make a stand and unfortunately Iranians do not like to hear things that goes against their opinion.

As you you have tried to put words in my mouth (another Iranian trait when logic runs out), i never said everyone at ISP are scumbags. I repeat what i have said before, the admins and some of the members are completely in line with endorsement of IR policies and others just let it go.

I didn't "let it go".

I have never, ever insulted a person unless if they started first however i brought ideologies and religions under question WHICH IS THE BASIS OF FREE DISCUSSION.

If muslim impotency and vanity does not allow them to tolerate criticism of their redicilous and idiotic beliefs then i guess they need to resolve this inwardly and then come into a discussion.

So keyvan pars, You say all of them at ISP are scumbags. Then who is good there? I thought you and RM (Fariborz) were good friends! This is not the way to treat your friends man.

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I have let go of issues for many years when it comes to this person but everyone has a limit. Once it surpassed that level i gave him a taste of his own medicine and i guess he didn't like it.

Sly jaan,
I don't judge people by the size of their pockets. Unfortunately, Fariborz and many others do. I try to avoid having contact which such human beings.

I hope that addresses the issue because i am not willing to go into more detail.

Unfortunately i tend to disagree with you gentlemen.


Keyvan jaan, I hope that disagreement is not about the fact that we need to maintain the highest standards of democracy for our discussions and forums.

Out of all the people (after your last few posts hinting at some of the problems with Iran and Iranians), you should be the last person that would need a reminder how diffiicult it is to provide an environment to promote democracy and freedom of expression among Iranians, and how much more difficult that task becomes if we all start insulting one another.

We're all upset about being censored and insulted elsewhere and I think we'd be hardly doing our cause any justice by engaging in some or all of the same practices. I do understand the need to get some frustration out, but after all that, we should try even harder to be role models for others by doing some of that inward reflection that you're talking about IMHO.

Good points Behrou jan. We should distinguish ourselves for what IranianCorner stands for. Let's all start here by sharing and respecting each others views in a friendy/democratic envirnoment.

I long for the day when we have a large number of active members with many respectful/lively discussions while the Mods are like Maytag repair commercial with not much moding to do. ;)

Behrou jan well said.

In a true democratic place, we would welcome hezbollahis and listen to their views. Many of them are dismissive of other opinions and ideologies but we find that kind of intolerance everywhere. I have found that as much as I disagreed with him, even member of day had things to say that made me thing from time to time! I am serious.

Behrouz jan, you do know "member of day" is General Parsaian. Right?:)

Behrouz jan, you do know "member of day" is General Parsaian. Right?:)

LOL, don't forget Nadia :boobs2:

^..or Lisa, or Hassan1980, or....:)

I think people who are gathered her are rather grown up. While in ISP they also
have quiet young people. So far this board have been a success. You managed to
gather some of the most grownups posters her who have been some how disappointed
of their strict banning poilicy.
Regarding seriose subjects your posters are more active than theirs. While regarding
football discussions they still have more posts.
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Vapir N02 (http://www.vaporshop.com)

Well, said Behrou jan!

Keyvan Pars jan, I don't know what the issue is between you and Fariborz. I don't even want to get into it cause it's not my business. But all I know is that Fariborz has never talked badly about you (as far as I know he's always rather talked well). It's just too sad that miff should arise between 2 so very good friends.

In any case, I think we should all put the negativities aside and try to be friends. Things get much better with discussion that comes with respect, rather than insults or personal attacks.

Well, said Behrou jan!

Keyvan Pars jan, I don't know what the issue is between you and Fariborz. I don't even want to get into it cause it's not my business. But all I know is that Fariborz has never talked badly about you (as far as I know he's always rather talked well). It's just too sad that miff should arise between 2 so very good friends.
Well i am not your typical two-faced iranian and you DID ASK about me and F. that is why I answered.

If any miff has arisen between us it is all his doing and if he wants to undo it he knows on how to go about it. He has had these issues with many of his close friends unfortunately.
In the beginning i felt sad about it but now i really don't give a crap because it has been two years and i don't want to hurt myself anymore thinking about him.

In any case, I think we should all put the negativities aside and try to be friends. Things get much better with discussion that comes with respect, rather than insults or personal attacks.

I say it on how it is. Now i will not get into it till people ask me. But when people asked me or when people make references i make my position clear. I don't really care if that hurts someone's second hand feelings. (I am assuming by personal attacks you meant my take on why F. and me don't talk no more), if by personal attacks you are referring to any other incidents i am afraid you need to clarify where/when and who.

To summerize, i treat you as you treat me. I exchange ideas with you and learn from you if there is anything to learn and last but not least if ONE THINKGS DISCUSSING A TOPIC WOULD HURT THEIR VANITY OR WOULD TURN INTO A SITUATION THAT A PERSON MIGHT GET INSULTED ONE SHOULD NOT EVEN GET INTO THE TOPIC.(e.g. ASLAM and mamad and the rest of the gang)

Not that i am here to give you guys examples. It is your responsibility to persue the truth but in either case you can refer to my reply above. I tried in my limited time frame to answer your question too.

Well, calling someone, essentially, an IR agent and bringing hardly any tangible proof is not something that is going to persuade anyone to your line of thinking. It's a mighty claim and, if you want people to actually believe in what you write, I think you'd need to say more. Personally, I don't believe it.

You can say it how it is without throwing 5-6 expletives + 4-5 personaly insults behind it to make it seem more valid.

Behrouz jan, you do know "member of day" is General Parsaian. Right?:)

Yes I do. Now the question is who GP is! He changed colour so many times.

I say it on how it is. Now i will not get into it till people ask me. But when people asked me or when people make references i make my position clear. I don't really care if that hurts someone's second hand feelings. (I am assuming by personal attacks you meant my take on why F. and me don't talk no more), if by personal attacks you are referring to any other incidents i am afraid you need to clarify where/when and who.

No, I was talking in general here. and in these forums. As raminio said, we can talk to eachother, without throwing in afew bad words towards the persons we're talking to. No matter how different our opinions are.

not least if ONE THINKGS DISCUSSING A TOPIC WOULD HURT THEIR VANITY OR WOULD TURN INTO A SITUATION THAT A PERSON MIGHT GET INSULTED ONE SHOULD NOT EVEN GET INTO THE TOPIC.(e.g. ASLAM and mamad and the rest of the gang)

Well, now that's not really right, is it? I mean what you said here is equal to: "If you are sensitive to Islam and Mohammad, don't open any threads related to them cause I will be there with my insults". Meaning people who are sensitive to Islam should not talk about it in these forums because they will get insulted.

That wont work either. I think we all should be talking about any religion or any prophet. People who are against them should be able to criticize them but without insults towards them or their followers. This is nothing you can't control. It's very easy if you tried it.

Halaa az khodemoono, khdamoono, ham-velayatiamoon in hamme bad gofteem, yek zarre khobiashoonam begim... I believe it was the Iranians who said "az har che begzareem, sokhane doost khosh tar ast."

On that note, I'd like to share a little story with all of you. I was a part of ISP for quite a long time too (maybe not as long as some of you, but long enough). Of course, my involvement was mostly in the Football Forum and predominantly about getting my frustrations out about TM!!! About 3-1/2 years ago, I finally strolled into the politics forum and honestly found the place in major disarray. It was just not the type of environment I was used to meeting people or discussing topics in, and at the beginning I was called all sorts of names (Hezbi included!) for simply playing devil's advocate and trying to argue and understand "the other" perspective. For me, you can't argue against something, until you've first argued FOR it and fully understand the flaws in those arguments. Needless to say, many clashes arose between myself and some really amazing people, most of whom are here reading this. :)

It wasn't until a very wise man in the name of Rasoul (and what an appropriate name if you think about it) mentioned to me in either a post or a PM, that I was going about making friends the wrong way. Having been the hot headed person that I was (and continue to be, albeit to a much lesser degree ;)), my first reaction to his suggestion was that I wasn't there to make friends anyway. Nonetheless, the statement stuck with me and within the next few days and weeks I thought to myself, why am I not there to make friends?!!! I mean, I made and make friends everywhere else that I go, so what made this hang-out so different for me that my sole purpose in being there was completely different than what I was all about.

Then I realized that the problem had been with me the whole time, not others. That it was I, who hadn't taken the time to say who I was or what I was all about. That I had been spending time looking for others' flaws (in the goold old fashioned Iranian manner that I was supposedly so against), rather than taking the time to also appreciate who they are and what they're about. I mean, Rasoul couldn't have hit the nail on the head any harder - this really wasn't the way I should have gone about making friends and why in the world would I not want to befriend so many incredibly intelliegent, knowledgeable and in many instances talented and COOL people?

Needless to say, I changed my ways and have since tried very hard to make-up for where I went wrong. And Ialthough it does tend to be harder when you get off the wrong foot, I think I've done okay, because everytime I have reached out, someone has been there, reaching back. And if there's one thing that I'm 100% sure of, about every single person that's on this forum, is that you all love Iran and deep down inside, no matter what you say about Iranians at times, you love Iranians - otherwise you wouldn't be here! ;)

And every single one of us has a vision for a better Iran and Iranians being better. So, here we are in a CORNER of the world that is ours, but most importantly IRANIAN, hanging out with some really cool Iranian friends. And we've done a damn good job so far and there are plenty more achievments and accomplishments on the horizon for all of us. So, why not focus on building that and implementing our vision for a better future right here and among friends? Why not build bridges, talk about love and friendship, worry about one another, check-up on friends and see how we can make each others' lives better by simply being there.

And Let us leave discussions of hate and animosity behind. Those are the stories of an old Iran, one that went wrong and is still continuing to go the wrong way. And those who're going along on this ride, maybe they just don't know or believe that there's something better. So let's take the time to show them, rather than just tell them. Can we?

Damet garm Behrou, excellent post.

Let's not emphasize on things that divide us and try to focus on things (that makes our coutry/culture with all its greatness and shortcomings) that can unite us.

Well said Behrou jan, very good post. I too and someone who constantly plays the devil's advocate because I dislike hypocrisy and double-standards to a degree that's unhealthy :p. I get involved in arguments that I would not even care about simply because such a thing exists. I think like you were, sometimes I get too involved in what other people are saying and preying on their faults that I can forget my own. Good lesson to share that.

Viva Behrou!
Great post!

The stupidity on ISP is overwhelming.

Thank you guys for the kind words, but I think we should all be thanking Rasoul jaan for having that philosophy from the start and taking the time to instill it in people lie myslef. He is always so kind and goes out of his way to help his forum mates and the best part is that he honestly does it from the bottom of his heart. I still feel bad that I didn't get my RC plane going, but he did also provide me with some words of encouragment after our fall0-out with the contractors and while I was doing some reno's myself and I will be posting some pictures soon. :)

Bardya jaan, what happened to you bro?!

Damet garm Behrou, excellent post.

Let's not emphasize on things that divide us and try to focus on things (that makes our coutry/culture with all its greatness and shortcomings) that can unite us.

Just playing a wondering mind and devil's advocate....

Lets say that there are members here that their family members or dear ones or hamvatans were murdered and executed at the hands of those that ashtar and Gp likes support. In fact, Likes of ashtar and GP not only have never condemned the mass executions of IRI and other crimes, but directly and indirectly have come to the defence of IRI's doing.
Now the limits of desired democracy envisioned here, would allow such a member to direct his anger and hatred towards advocates of genocide or would that be considered anti democratic and devisive? Mind you that condoning the massacre, however articulately and politely put,is a direct insult to the members. So would the victims have a right to even the score???

Shouldn't a common basic moral ground exist before differing ideas and opinions can be exchanged in a constructive manner?

what exactly is expected from likes of ashtar and reza in a "constructive" and educational dialog? These people are so encapsulated in the persona that they have created for themselves in defence of IRI that they don't even seem to have the courage of expressing an opinion on any event untill the official IRI policy statement is released. I do have to congratulate them though on their honesty and directiveness ( for lack of better description) in portraying what they need to portray.Their other personalities do the job of other facets of their make up.

This is not to deny that one should not see the world from the other point of view.absolutely. But lets not fantacise that presence of the other side of spectrum in a dialog, will automatically create a democratic environment.

Just a random thaught!!!!!!

Jeez Aram jaan, I don't even wanna know how well articulated and thought provoking your questions would be, if they weren't random. ;)

They are of course excellent questions, the answers to which IMHO would most likely solve most of Middle East's problems if not the whole world's. Let's start with... "Shouldn't a common basic moral ground exist before differing ideas and opinions can be exchanged in a constructive manner?"

Although the predominant Western view on this would be a simple "yes", in reality (note: this is subjective and my perception of reality), there is no "common moral ground" that applies to all of mankind. If the next question is should there be one, I'd be the first to say yes. Having said that, in order to reach this common ground IMHO, first, ideas and opinions need to be exchanged in a constructive manner (i.e. moral common ground should not be the precursor to discussions or negotiations but the result of it).

What are your thoughts on that so far, particularly the subjective interpretation of reality (i.e. is you persception of reality different and how)?

Just playing a wondering mind and devil's advocate....

Lets say that there are members here that their family members or dear ones or hamvatans were murdered and executed at the hands of those that ashtar and Gp likes support. In fact, Likes of ashtar and GP not only have never condemned the mass executions of IRI and other crimes, but directly and indirectly have come to the defence of IRI's doing.
Now the limits of desired democracy envisioned here, would allow such a member to direct his anger and hatred towards advocates of genocide or would that be considered anti democratic and devisive? Mind you that condoning the massacre, however articulately and politely put,is a direct insult to the members. So would the victims have a right to even the score???

Shouldn't a common basic moral ground exist before differing ideas and opinions can be exchanged in a constructive manner?

what exactly is expected from likes of ashtar and reza in a "constructive" and educational dialog? These people are so encapsulated in the persona that they have created for themselves in defence of IRI that they don't even seem to have the courage of expressing an opinion on any event untill the official IRI policy statement is released. I do have to congratulate them though on their honesty and directiveness ( for lack of better description) in portraying what they need to portray.Their other personalities do the job of other facets of their make up.

This is not to deny that one should not see the world from the other point of view.absolutely. But lets not fantacise that presence of the other side of spectrum in a dialog, will automatically create a democratic environment.

Just a random thaught!!!!!!

Aram jan,
There are several levels of support for IRI:
1. To be involved in the IRI as a major political figure
2. To be a contributing employee or sepah/basij/...
3. To be living in Iran and supporting the regime by voting and going to rahpeymaii
4. To be living in Iran and accepting the fact that IRI is there and hoping that they can improve the system without any outside interference

There are more levels but to keep the argument short let's assume this is all we have.
Given these levels, one cannot be mad at all four kinds the same amount. Or basically you cannot burn the wet and dry together.

Now let's assume that you get the chance to be on the phone with one of the members of the first group, and your conversation can be heard by everyone. Would you rather just curse the guy on the phone or would you rather ask meaningful questions that would expose the flaws of that person so everyone can see it?

Now let's compare our forum to the US or Canada (as close as you can get to democracy). We know that assault and battery is illegal. If you find someone who supports IRI would you be beating him up and run the risk of going to jail, or would you rather beat him up ta delet khonak beshe?
Even though the second option might provide a temporary relief in the long run nothing comes of it.

5- cultural support: to be living outside iran and to try to whitewash and passify the medieval policies of the occupiers.
6- back and forth: to have business interests in Iran (because it is easier to be a thief there than outside) and wear a beard and to go to namaaz when you are there, and wear a tie and go to strip joints when you are in Toronto or LA.
7- to be thinking that real Aslam is different to what is implemented in countries such as Iran or Pakistan without even knowing what Aslam and Ghoran are.

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i can go down at least to thirty categories.

See, our land has never been short of traitors. But it is becoming an impossible task to find a real patriot.

... Likes of ashtar and GP not only have never condemned the mass executions of IRI and other crimes, but directly and indirectly have come to the defence of IRI's doing.
Just a random thaught!!!!!!

Aram jan, I understand what you are getting at. The general idea of tolerance and dialog (one of the pillars of democracy) is much bigger than likes of Ashtar and Sardar. By the way, I would distinguish those two in particular, IMHO Ashtar is an indirect beneficiary of IRR but Sardar, Simply Ken and couple of others, while playing different roles with specific focus, I believe are professional advocates of IR.

Having said that, I don't expect anything from those guys but I do believe directing “anger” at elements / supporters of IRR as you put it would not solve any of our problems. What I think can be more helpful is to counter their propaganda with facts and open dialog and let the readers be the judge.
Tolerance will teach us and the new generation to listen and use words and reasoning to deliver the message.

.. But lets not fantacise that presence of the other side of spectrum in a dialog, will automatically create a democratic environment.

Just a random thaught!!!!!!

I agree, and have no illusions about that. All we can do/control is our own behavior, but we should practice what we preach and set an example by allowing everyone to say what they like as long as message is delivered in a respectful manor.

I haven't had time to read all the posts under this thread, but as a long time administrator at ISP who resigned last year I feel obligated to inform you folks that it is possible to access Private Messages on these VBulletin boards (Yes, even on this forum)

It's not easy and 90% of the administrators would never figure it out but once discovered, it's not hard to track private messages.

Of course while I was an ISP staff (and that covers a very long period) such things never took place and I don't believe they do today either. I personally know the people in charge and despite our obvious differences and disagreements none of us believe in disturbing people's privacy.

I no longer hold any position or stake at ISP so what has happened in the past year and what will take place in the future does not concern me.

BT

Soroush jaan, it's great to hear from you. :)

Yes, there is an add-on the Vbulletin application that would allow administrators to read PM's, however as you most likely know, this practice would be illegal both in the US and Canada and as such I can assure you that as far as the Iranian Corner is concerned, we would never even think about installing such product, let alone using it. And that's even if it was just an ethical issue not a legal one. To this day, I still get permission from my wife-to-be to go into her purse - and no, we don't share lipsticks ;) it would be for the very very bad act of smoking.

As far as the situation with ISP, we have left it far behind us, but as per my letter to Behrang (to which I have not received a response to this day) I am 100% certain that my personal account and information was breached through changing my account password and e-mail and logging into my account with this new information. I have printed evidence that shows activity on my account on April 21st, while I was unable to log into my account since 2 weeks prior. The matter is academic at this point and just FYI.

Soroush jaan, it's great to hear from you. :)

Yes, there is an add-on the Vbulletin application that would allow administrators to read PM's, however as you most likely know, this practice would be illegal both in the US and Canada and as such I can assure you that as far as the Iranian Corner is concerned, we would never even think about installing such product, let alone using it. And that's even if it was just an ethical issue not a legal one. To this day, I still get permission from my wife-to-be to go into her purse - and no, we don't share lipsticks ;) it would be for the very very bad act of smoking.

As far as the situation with ISP, we have left it far behind us, but as per my letter to Behrang (to which I have not received a response to this day) I am 100% certain that my personal account and information was breached through changing my account password and e-mail and logging into my account with this new information. I have printed evidence that shows activity on my account on April 21st, while I was unable to log into my account since 2 weeks prior. The matter is academic at this point and just FYI.

Aha so you each use a different kind?

LOL. Damn, I was hoping no one would catch that! You know how it goes... different skin complexion, different color lipstick!!! ;)

khosh amadi BT jaan. good to see you here.

Hi everyone

There was a bet between alila and westi ( mehdi) at ISP and obviously alila won and westi accepted to leave ISP for ever and never comeback or post anything!!

There is hot thread happening at ISP at this moment which im sure many of u may have heard it already.

what is ur opinion regarding this?


chak

I didnt think anything of the bet when it was made, bets at ISP usually dont mean shit. I think its Mahdi's choice if anything, I personnaly dont like bets and even if I make them I win most of the times and let my friends get off the hook, But a bet is still a bet and If you would lose I dont know if Mahdi would let you get off the hook, anyway He said ISP not IC so he can still come here and say what he wants and its also good that people dont talk about him behind his back. Anyway Its really his choice.

Btw I dont know why pooya says they have a zero tolerance ruling with personal insult bc that aint true. Mahdi you know it yourself too, I dont report anything cause its not between you and me but you do get into personal insults and when you do others get back to you at times too, still not always there will be done anything. And its not just you, alot of members do this, its selective banning and thats wrong. Not saying that none of the members who got banned didnt deserve it. And also Mahdi is being punished for being hopefull, despite you were being negative, even if you were right. Again Mahdi's choice.

I am not a negative person but I cant lie to myself and have hopes in things that I know by heart that wont happen.

I didnt had faith in TM since the day one as I knew Ali DAEI wasnt the right choice and I knew he would show his true colors sooner or later .
When Ghotbi took over the job ,I still didnt have any faith as I knew he isnt any better compared to daei.

and meddi started the bet. I didnt.... i tried to ignore his stupid posts in which he constantly was repeating the same crap and he kinda forced me into that..

IMO, banning and deleting posts is just childish and they should stop that .. insulting other members is shallow but when a member like keeps repeating this,its gets annoying.

hala bezar bebinim baghiye chi migan
chak

LOOOOL! I have been reading the posts on ISP. It is so funny.

Ali jan, baba Mahdi was once making personal insults towards me because he thought I was wrong about Mahdavikia/Hashemian being crap. Now everybody see the facts, including himself. I've learned to know that he's too much emotional when it comes to the players/coaches/teams he likes rather than being logical. I guess that will fade with age and he will learn how to control his emotions and be more logical and also the most important of all, he will learn to respect other people's views not to insult them. But for now your point has been proven ... IMO, you should break your bet and let him be at ISP. :)

Ali jan, baba Mahdi was once making personal insults towards me because he thought I was wrong about Mahdavikia/Hashemian being crap. Now everybody see the facts, including himself. I've learned to know that he's too much emotional when it comes to the players/coaches/teams he likes rather than being logical. I guess that will fade with age and he will learn how to control his emotions and be more logical and also the most important of all, he will learn to respect other people's views not to insult them. But for now your point has been proven ... IMO, you should break your bet and let him be at ISP. :)

ali jan

agha i told mehdi to forget the bet the moment he started the thread. he is the one who has been AROOS RAFTE GOL BECHINE .

u must come and read the posts ..its so funny lol

RDA or former gerigio armani who is 28 years old is now 38 looooooool the best way to hide his false claim of being part of iran .-iraq war...

chak

Westi leaving ISP?!!!!
That's like Ferguson quitting Man United. He is part of the furniture. This is a major story :)

Westi leaving ISP?!!!!
That's like Ferguson quitting Man United. He is part of the furniture. This is a major story :)
yep.

I think it is a personal decision to be made by Westi. It is definitely a lesson for him not to do such bets in the future.
If he breaks his shart, he is not the only one. PBW has been doing it for a long time. ;)

I think it is a personal decision to be made by Westi. It is definitely a lesson for him not to do such bets in the future.
If he breaks his shart, he is not the only one. PBW has been doing it for a long time. ;)

He started it and he faced the blind support for a video analysor.

ghotbi ham khodesho nabood kard, ham TM ra nabood kard va akhar kar mehdi bichare ra ham ba khodesh bord tah chah

He started it and he faced the blind support for a video analysor.

ghotbi ham khodesho nabood kard, ham TM ra nabood kard va akhar kar mehdi bichare ra ham ba khodesh bord tah chah
Ali jan,
I am not sure any other coach could have gotten more than a draw from The two Koreas away from home on such a short notice. Heck, they could not have even reached to terms with anyone in such a short time. Let's not blame everything on Ghotbi. I certainly don't say Ghotbi is a great coach, but he is probably slightly better than any Iranian coaches we have. But the team was pretty much eliminated by the time it got to Ghotbi and Mahdi's bet with you was most probably more ehsasi than manteghi.

Ali jan,
I am not sure any other coach could have gotten more than a draw from The two Koreas away from home on such a short notice. Heck, they could not have even reached to terms with anyone in such a short time. Let's not blame everything on Ghotbi. I certainly don't say Ghotbi is a great coach, but he is probably slightly better than any Iranian coaches we have. But the team was pretty much eliminated by the time it got to Ghotbi and Mahdi's bet with you was most probably more ehsasi than manteghi.
pedram jan

u know im an anti-ghotbi but i said the same thing the time he accepted the job and said it loud even if we dont qualify, i wont blame ghotbi as as u said we were chucked out of WCQ the day we lost to saudis in tehran.

westi was defending this clown from day 1 and paid the price.

dooooooooooooooostan

im fighting behalf of everyone who has been banned,insulted while being at ISP
back alila up

chak

I am sorry Ali jan, but I don't see this as a fight against people who have been banned.
They have a rule and we also have a similar rule. If someone insults someone the mods are not going to take any action unless the post is reported. If you chose to be OK with insults towards you, that is your choice. But if you really don't get offended why do you remember it?
I think the fact that you remember all the insults shows that you don't like it, but your pride doesn't let you report the post and you just keep it inside. If you truly don't mind the insults you should move on and should not expect anyone to be banned because of insulting you. But that doesn't give you the right to insult anyone else and if they get insulted they can report you. It is a very simple rule. If you want other people to be banned just like you just press the report button.

I am sorry Ali jan, but I don't see this as a fight against people who have been banned.
They have a rule and we also have a similar rule. If someone insults someone the mods are not going to take any action unless the post is reported. If you chose to be OK with insults towards you, that is your choice. But if you really don't get offended why do you remember it?
I think the fact that you remember all the insults shows that you don't like it, but your pride doesn't let you report the post and you just keep it inside. If you truly don't mind the insults you should move on and should not expect anyone to be banned because of insulting you. But that doesn't give you the right to insult anyone else and if they get insulted they can report you. It is a very simple rule. If you want other people to be banned just like you just press the report button.

You convinced me, but that doesnt make it zero tolerance atleast not in my book, we dont have zero tolerance either or do we ?

You convinced me, but that doesnt make it zero tolerance atleast not in my book, we dont have zero tolerance either or do we ?

I was not trying to say whatever Pooya says is correct. They definitely don't have zero tolerance, specially not for themselves. A mod should never go edit someone's post to change the direction of insult. As someone had mentioned he changed RM to khodam in someone's post. If there is a violation and someone reports it the post should be removed or edited to REMOVE the insult. Anyways, I was just trying to explain the rule to Ali.

And you are right. We don't have zero tolerance.

Well another good example, is changing thread titles to 'I am an Idiot' multiple times when people added scores in the thread titles. Sure it is annoying and it had been said alot that people shouldnt do it, but I dont think they should start insulting and using their power that way and there is also no way to report that bc it aint a post and there is no way to see who did it. And there are more examples too.

Kasra jan, are you trying to convince me to leave ISP and come here? They might ban you for that. ;)

hahahahaah LOL yeah shouldnt do that should I. I try to say what I say here there too and I know they check here at times too, so Im not sneaking around or anything. And I dont think anything me or anyone will say will change anything there, some just asked where guys like Sly were and I thought I had to react to Pooya saying there was a Zero tolerance ruling, nothing more. Really I only started posting when the Iran thing started.

That is funny!! They had lifted the ban on my IP address. I reported to them a post by ashtar where he said shut up to someone and they banned me again!!

LOL are you serious, did you do it today/just now ? If true than that is too much, especially when people are questioning it.

LOL are you serious, did you do it today/just now ? If true than that is too much, especially when people are questioning it.

Yup, today.

LOOOL should I try it too ? Do you think you got banned bc of the reporting or bc of something else or that the lift was fake or something.

consider it a blessing being banned from that place.

The place is full of two-faced cock suckers who care more about cofederation cup than innocent young women and men standing in front of bullets.

Why would you even want to have anything to do with website or forum?

Westi is a Gheyrati young man which probably come to terms with the scum that rule that site and decided he did not want any part of that stain of syphillis.

A+ to him.

LOOOL should I try it too ? Do you think you got banned bc of the reporting or bc of something else or that the lift was fake or something.

I think it is probably because I don't have a fixed IP address at home and somehow it changed. Otherwise they cowards are afraid to ban me because they don't want it to show up on the forum that I am banned.

There are a lot of nice people on ISP so let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. Westi is one of them. He maybe strong minded and we have all had our arguments with him, but he has his principles which he sticks to at least. That's more than can be said about many others there, some of who form part of the ruling dictatorship.

There are a lot of nice people on ISP so let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. Westi is one of them. He maybe strong minded and we have all had our arguments with him, but he has his principles which he sticks to at least. That's more than can be said about many others there, some of who form part of the ruling dictatorship.

I completely agree with you. I don't have anything against westi and actually I like him very much.

to PJ and others

I am not happy ppl insult me on my face but at the same time i dont think a forum needs a headmaster to deal with the insults and etc etc..

chak

to PJ and others

I am not happy ppl insult me on my face but at the same time i dont think a forum needs a headmaster to deal with the insults and etc etc..

chak

Ideally, there should be no PERSONAL insults in any forum. However, disagreement and discussion is the essence of every healthy gathering, be it on the internet or in real life.

I think Mahdi for whatever reason has chosen the right path not to post on ISP. IMO, no Iranian with an inch of respect what those giving their lives in the motherland should participate in gatherings such as ISP.

At the end of the day it is our convictions and our principles that define us and obviously a large proportion of us don't seem to care about what is going on around them as long as they are doing what serves them best.

I'll say this, I like Mahdi, I do. We didn't have disagreement on much until recent history. Even when we disputed things heatedly, I still liked his 2 cents, even if I thought they were ridiculous.

With regards to Alila, not that I am siding with any party here, but the way he hounded Alila, questioning his manhood, etc, was just a low blow and beneath both individuals. He practically forced Alila into the bet.

If Westi still reads here, or cares for my opinion, I would ask him to be less heated and less emotive. No one is perfect and I am no one to lecture; but I find friendships formed simply due to similar opinions aren't really all that valuable. Westi was like this: if you agreed, you were best friends and his posting pattern and ideals would support you or at least he wouldn't hassle you. But if you are against his way of thinking, then he'll keep jabbing until he gets a reaction or it comes to the point where there is a confrontation.

At one stage he made some comment like "I wish I could only read your posts" when it came to football, and then it another stage it was like, "you argue for the sake or arguing, shut up".

I was friends with him in the beginning and had him on facebook. I discovered later that he removed me, probably at the same time when I fell out with Niloufar.

To say I am disappointed with how things panned out with some people at ISP would be an understatement.

Ideally, there should be no PERSONAL insults in any forum. However, disagreement and discussion is the essence of every healthy gathering, be it on the internet or in real life.

I think Mahdi for whatever reason has chosen the right path not to post on ISP. IMO, no Iranian with an inch of respect what those giving their lives in the motherland should participate in gatherings such as ISP.

At the end of the day it is our convictions and our principles that define us and obviously a large proportion of us don't seem to care about what is going on around them as long as they are doing what serves them best.

Mahdi didn't stop posting because of high ideals that clashed with ISP. He stopped posting because he lost a bet with Alila with regards to Ghotbi.

to PJ and others

I am not happy ppl insult me on my face but at the same time i dont think a forum needs a headmaster to deal with the insults and etc etc..

chak
Ali jan, you are clearly upset about the insults. Why don't you report the posts where you get insulted? Just give it a try. I am not saying anyone has a right to insult you, but when you say you don't mind, and don't report anything, how do you expect the mods to ban people?
The fact of the matter is in every forum there are people who don't have the right etiquette and there are some people who are there to make trouble. If you don't have a moderator it is going to turn into a jungle fast, specially when people with opposing points of view are members.

Ali jan, you are clearly upset about the insults. Why don't you report the posts where you get insulted? Just give it a try. I am not saying anyone has a right to insult you, but when you say you don't mind, and don't report anything, how do you expect the mods to ban people?
The fact of the matter is in every forum there are people who don't have the right etiquette and there are some people who are there to make trouble. If you don't have a moderator it is going to turn into a jungle fast, specially when people with opposing points of view are members.

pedram jan

some members insult and i just say he is nobody but what if mehdi as a isp manager team do the same?? rootab khorde key mann rotab konad??

if ordinary members may face banning,moderators should be treated the same ha?
chak

pedram jan

some members insult and i just say he is nobody but what if mehdi as a isp manager team do the same?? rootab khorde key mann rotab konad??

if ordinary members may face banning,moderators should be treated the same ha?
chak

That is why it is important to report the posts and document that such insults happened.
In my opinion both regular members and admin/mods should be held to the same regulations. If they ban people for insults they should do the same to themselves, but again it is very important to report posts.

That is why it is important to report the posts and document that such insults happened.
In my opinion both regular members and admin/mods should be held to the same regulations. If they ban people for insults they should do the same to themselves, but again it is very important to report posts.

I reported mehdi's insults zillion time but nothing happened.
double standards rules at ISP