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Toofan
05-02-2009, 10:54 AM
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Fish May Actually Feel Pain And React To It Much Like Humans Do

ScienceDaily (May 1, 2009) — Fish don't make noises or contort their faces to show that it hurts when hooks are pulled from their mouths, but a Purdue University researcher believes they feel that pain all the same.

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Fish don't make noises or contort their faces to show that it hurts when hooks are pulled from their mouths, but a Purdue University researcher believes they feel that pain

Joseph Garner, an assistant professor of animal sciences, helped develop a test that found goldfish do feel pain, and their reactions to it are much like that of humans.
"There has been an effort by some to argue that a fish's response to a noxious stimuli is merely a reflexive action, but that it didn't really feel pain," Garner said. "We wanted to see if fish responded to potentially painful stimuli in a reflexive way or a more clever way."
Garner and Janicke Nordgreen, a doctoral student in the Norwegian School of Veterinary Science, attached small foil heaters to the goldfish and slowly increased the temperature. The heaters were designed with sensors and safeguards that shut off the heaters to prevent any physical damage to a fish's tissue.
Half of the fish were injected with morphine, and the others received saline. The researchers believed that those with the morphine would be able to withstand higher temperatures before reacting if they actually felt the pain. However, both groups of fish showed a response at about the same temperature.
Because both groups of fish wriggled at about the same temperature, the researchers thought the responses might be more like a reflex than a cognitive reaction to experiencing pain. The reflexive response is similar to a person involuntarily moving a hand off a hot stove with which they had come into contact. The reaction happens before a person actually experiences pain or understands that they have been hurt.
Upon later observation in their home tanks, however, the researchers noticed that the fish from each group were exhibiting different behaviors.
"The fish given the morphine acted like they always had: swimming and being fish," Garner said. "The fish that had gotten saline - even though they responded the same in the test - later acted different, though. They acted with defensive behaviors, indicating wariness, or fear and anxiety."
Nordgreen said those behavioral differences showed that fish can feel both reflexive and cognitive pain.
"The experiment shows that fish do not only respond to painful stimuli with reflexes, but change their behavior also after the event," Nordgreen said. "Together with what we know from experiments carried out by other groups, this indicates that the fish consciously perceive the test situation as painful and switch to behaviors indicative of having been through an aversive experience."
Garner believes that the morphine blocked the experience of pain, but not behavioral responses to the heat stimulus itself - either because the responses were reflexive or because the morphine blocked the experience of pain, but not the experience of an unusual stimulus.
"If you think back to when you have had a headache and taken a painkiller, the pain may go away, but you can still feel the presence or discomfort of the headache," Garner said.
Those with saline both experienced pain in the test, as well as responding to it, and were able to cognitively process that pain, thus causing the later fear and anxiety.
"The goldfish that did not get morphine experienced this painful, stressful event. Then two hours later, they turned that pain into fear like we do," Garner said. "To me, it sounds an awful lot like how we experience pain."
The findings could raise questions about slaughter methods and how fish are handled in research. Garner said standards of care could be revisited to ensure fish are being treated humanely.
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Nordgreen et al. Thermonociception in fish: Effects of two different doses of morphine on thermal threshold and post-test behaviour in goldfish (Carassius auratus). Applied Animal Behaviour Science, 2009; DOI: 10.1016/j.applanim.2009.03.015 (http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.applanim.2009.03.015)

artavile
05-08-2009, 04:32 PM
Even I knew that!

Any animal with complex nerve system would feel the pain, be it fish, olagh or bird.

raminio05
05-12-2009, 08:54 AM
well, could it just be pressure that they feel, rather than pain?

Bi-Honar
05-12-2009, 03:21 PM
I hope none of my tax dollars was wasted on this far fetched (sarcasm on/off) scientific discovery!

On a different note, they had this segment on Animal Planet last night, and this guy who works as a robotics programmer had convinced his son to buy a gold fish instead of a dog! He then spent months training this gold-fish and the little guy goes through hoops, plays soccer in the fish tank and all sorts of other things. I honestly could not believe my eyes. I

I used to have a fish tank and everytime I walked next to it these two little Angel fish - who were no angels I should add - would come to the galss as if they were saying hi to me, then do a few acrobatic moves and come back and look at me. So well behaved, you would say oh, what little angels. As soon as you took a few stps from the tank and they figured you're not paying attention to them anymore, they would go on their rampage,taking little bites out of other fishies tails and terrorizing them!

So, I always knew fish were smart (and felt pain, cause you should have seen how fast the other little guy were trying to swim away from these two litte devils), but to see them trained to the point of jumping hoops and taking a little soccer ball and putting it in the net, was mind boggling for me.