View Full Version : Taliban Claim Responsibility for Vietnamese Dude Going Postal In N.Y!


Bi-Honar
04-04-2009, 09:10 PM
I guess despearate times call for desparate measures!
:hanged2:

US police hunt clues after immigrant kills 14

BINGHAMTON, New York (AFP) - US police Saturday sought to discover why a jobless immigrant snapped, going on a murderous rampage in the center where he learned English, mowing down 13 people before killing himself.

The bespectacled gunman at the heart of the tragedy in the quiet, small New York town of Binghamton was identified as Jiverly Voong, 41, of Vietnamese descent, who until early March had been taking classes at the American Civic Association. Early Friday Voong, who had legally changed his name from Wong, donned body armor, blocked the center's back doors with his car and then burst into the front of the building in a hail of gunfire, police said.

Without uttering a word, Voong strode into a classroom where an English lesson was being held, and shot dead 13 people, injuring another three, before turning the gun on himself, police chief Joseph Zikuski said. The alarm was raised by a receptionist, hailed as a hero by the police chief, who played dead after being shot in the stomach. She then crawled under her desk to call 911 on her cell phone. She and the other three injured were Saturday still being treated in hospital. Two were in a critical condition.

The small community, 135 miles (215 kilometers) northwest of New York City, voiced shock Saturday at the outburst of violence, especially angered that it had happened at a center trying to help new immigrants. "That this tragedy should have happened in our community to our friends who only wanted to advance their knowledge and love of America is unbearable," the center's president Angela Leach told reporters as she fought back the tears. "Whatever drove this individual to do what he did, I cannot possibly fathom," she added, vowing to continue the center's work "to help people realize the dreams of American citizenship."

The names of the victims have not yet been released, but mayor Matthew Ryan said Binghamton authorities had had inquiries from nine countries and two consulates about the safety of their nationals. Voong, who had a gun permit since the late 1990s, had recently lost his job at the Shop Vac assembly plant, which the New York Daily News reported had closed down in November. "We picked up that apparently people were making fun of him. He felt he was being degraded because of ... his inability to speak English. And he was upset about that," Zikuski said.

Police said they had interviewed the killer's parents and sister, with whom he shared a home in the nearby town of Johnson. "Obviously this investigation will focus a lot upon what the motive may have been. We may not ever come up with anything," Zikuski added. But he did rule out any tie to terrorism, after a militant Taliban leader wanted by the Pakistani government claimed responsibility for the massacre.

It was the second mass shooting in less than a week in the United States, as the economic downtown claims more jobs and blights more lives. Binghamton has been particularly hit by layoffs at insurer AIG, and computer giant IBM. CNN reported that several years ago Wong had been employed at a hi-tech firm, Endicott Interconnect, which produces computer chips for medical equipment and where Wong had a supervisory role, training his co-workers.

President Barack Obama, speaking in Strasbourg on the sidelines of NATO summit, said: "I am heartbroken for the families who survived this tragedy. "It just underscores the degree to which in each of our countries, we have to guard against the kind of senseless violence that tragedy represents." Friday's carnage is the latest incident to rock small-town America, where many fiercely defend the legal right to bear firearms, but which is also being hit by the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression.

On Sunday, a heavily-armed man burst into a North Carolina nursing home, where his estranged wife worked, killing eight people before being shot and wounded by a policeman. It also comes days before the second anniversary of a massacre at Virginia Tech -- the deadliest school shooting in US history in which 32 students and professors were shot dead by a student gunman -- and weeks before the 10th anniversary of the Columbine, Colorado school shooting.

raminio05
04-04-2009, 09:37 PM
that really would be something.

Shahin
04-04-2009, 10:04 PM
This is getting quite a serious issue in US now. With all these unemployment and government not providing such a good unemployment insurance, we have seen people killing themselves, their families and now other people for losing their jobs and ...

This could get worst as the recession gets worst !!!

Bi-Honar
04-05-2009, 06:16 AM
Killing oneself is one thing, but innocent people who have nothing to do with one's situation? I just can't understand how someone could snap like that. :(

raminio05
04-05-2009, 10:03 PM
Killing oneself is one thing, but innocent people who have nothing to do with one's situation? I just can't understand how someone could snap like that. :(

i've always been curious about the mindset also. Because if your at the point that you DONT CARE anymore, why do you CARE ENOUGH to spend the time and energy to go and kill others.

I think that those who do this aren't ready to die yet, but by commiting such a horrible act, they leave no choice for themselves but suicide. It's a cowards way to commit an already cowerdly act, suicide.

Shahin
04-06-2009, 04:13 AM
i've always been curious about the mindset also. Because if your at the point that you DONT CARE anymore, why do you CARE ENOUGH to spend the time and energy to go and kill others.



It is strange, they are just mad at soceity.

raminio05
04-06-2009, 09:48 AM
It is strange, they are just mad at soceity.

I wonder if thats what it is? I mean, if they are mad at society, why not try to destroy the parts of it that have been cruel to them. Why innocents?

Bi-Honar
04-06-2009, 06:10 PM
I guess it makes one feel powerful to target the most helpless and defenceless elements of society. That's why it's often schools, daycares and universities. It's really sad and cowardly as you put it Ramin jaan.

raminio05
04-06-2009, 06:49 PM
I guess it makes one feel powerful to target the most helpless and defenceless elements of society. That's why it's often schools, daycares and universities. It's really sad and cowardly as you put it Ramin jaan.

but wouldn't he feel more powerfull targeting a police station or something like that?

sorry, i know i'm picking at this to death, but my curiosity about the human psyche goes into overdrive in cases like this/

PJ
04-06-2009, 07:39 PM
but wouldn't he feel more powerfull targeting a police station or something like that?

sorry, i know i'm picking at this to death, but my curiosity about the human psyche goes into overdrive in cases like this/
I probably has to do with what that person feels like he can do based on his ability. He wants to execute a successful mission before dying. So, attacking a police station is probably not a very good idea because he might end up dying before killing anyone. I guess the people who do such deeds do some amount of thinking before doing that ... :scratchchin:

raminio05
04-06-2009, 07:45 PM
I probably has to do with what that person feels like he can do based on his ability. He wants to execute a successful mission before dying. So, attacking a police station is probably not a very good idea because he might end up dying before killing anyone. I guess the people who do such deeds do some amount of thinking before doing that ... :scratchchin:

You know, i think it might be more fantacizing than thinking.

One pattern that you always see though is that they always carry the attack out at a location that they are familier with. Thats why I don't think that its a "feel powerfull by killing the powerless kind of thing". It would be interesting to know if somone who went on such a rampage was ever caught before killing himself.

PJ
04-06-2009, 08:40 PM
You know, i think it might be more fantacizing than thinking.

One pattern that you always see though is that they always carry the attack out at a location that they are familier with. Thats why I don't think that its a "feel powerfull by killing the powerless kind of thing". It would be interesting to know if somone who went on such a rampage was ever caught before killing himself.
I think it is more like a "revenge from the human race" than "feel powerful". Some of them actually pick the people who did them wrong, but some of them don't care who they are killing.
I suppose some of them may do it to get famous!!

Sherwin
04-06-2009, 09:49 PM
It's very sad news one nice lady had ten kids and she would always volunteer her time to teach immigrants English. May the victims rest in peace they wanted a piece of the American dream but instead it turned out to be an American nightmare. The Taliban are the scum of the earth!

raminio05
04-07-2009, 06:32 AM
Apparently he sent a letter to the local news station before commiting the act:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04062009/news/wongletter0406.pdf

It's very disturbing. This man definatly had some problems, most of which were probably imagined because he definately seems to be suffering from paranoia.

What do you guys think about the last part of his letter. It doesn't seem as if there was any anger at the people he was going to kill, or society in General. He says something about needing a "judge job to be impartial" and taking "at least two with him back to the earth". It almost seems as if he killed all those people to have them as witnesses in the next world?

What do you guys think?

raminio05
04-07-2009, 06:32 AM
I think it is more like a "revenge from the human race" than "feel powerful". Some of them actually pick the people who did them wrong, but some of them don't care who they are killing.
I suppose some of them may do it to get famous!!

pj jaan take a look at the letter and let me know what you think.

whos that in your avatar btw?

raminio05
04-07-2009, 06:57 AM
......

Behrooz_C
04-07-2009, 09:44 AM
Funny thing was that this came a day after Obama was lecturing Europeans about combating terrorism because as he put it, Europe is more likely to be the next target for these people!

PJ
04-07-2009, 02:25 PM
Apparently he sent a letter to the local news station before commiting the act:
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04062009/news/wongletter0406.pdf

It's very disturbing. This man definatly had some problems, most of which were probably imagined because he definately seems to be suffering from paranoia.

What do you guys think about the last part of his letter. It doesn't seem as if there was any anger at the people he was going to kill, or society in General. He says something about needing a "judge job to be impartial" and taking "at least two with him back to the earth". It almost seems as if he killed all those people to have them as witnesses in the next world?

What do you guys think?

You are right. He comes across very confused person. I think the language barrier is partially responsible for this, because not understanding what he says can cover up his confusion and big problems.

artavile
04-07-2009, 05:05 PM
This guy certainly should have been on medication….too bad individuals like this will make future immigrants to be even more scrutinized, this time medically (in addition to the security clearance process)before they are admitted to this country.

Shahin
04-07-2009, 05:42 PM
There was a similar case in Canada few month back where a chinese immmigrant, butchered a canadian man who was sleeping in a greyhound bus and cut his head off.

The killer was found insane and instead of jail he was sent to a mental institude to get help. The interesting matter was that, this incident, will not even go under his criminal record.

Also, it raised the question of how long will he be in that facility and also when he comes out, who is going to make sure he is taking his medication so similar event does not happen ??

artavile
04-07-2009, 07:38 PM
Damn.

Shahin jan, that's some scary shit!!! Who says asians/orientals are less violent?

raminio05
04-07-2009, 08:41 PM
There was a similar case in Canada few month back where a chinese immmigrant, butchered a canadian man who was sleeping in a greyhound bus and cut his head off.

The killer was found insane and instead of jail he was sent to a mental institude to get help. The interesting matter was that, this incident, will not even go under his criminal record.

Also, it raised the question of how long will he be in that facility and also when he comes out, who is going to make sure he is taking his medication so similar event does not happen ??

Yeah, i remember that story. So the guy was Chinese?

I remember that it turned out that he was schizophrenic.

raminio05
04-07-2009, 08:42 PM
The thing is, I wonder how many of this guys problems were letigimate. I mean, its not impossible that there actually was someone harrassing him.

PJ
04-08-2009, 05:23 AM
pj jaan take a look at the letter and let me know what you think.

whos that in your avatar btw?

Ramin jan, I am not really a psychologist to be able analyze this guy from that one letter. But it definitely seems like he had gone coocoo. Even though knowing english might have helped him communicate better with the others and certainly would have helped us understanding his letter better, his problems were much deeper than that.
There are a lot of people who have psychological issues and need help but don't get help because either they don't know how to get help or they don't think they need help and their ego doesn't let them accept it.
I also agree with you that from that letter you don't know how much of that was his imagination and how much of it was real and whether the cops added to his problems or not.
And by the way the person in my avatar is my son.

raminio05
04-08-2009, 07:35 AM
Ramin jan, I am not really a psychologist to be able analyze this guy from that one letter. But it definitely seems like he had gone coocoo. Even though knowing english might have helped him communicate better with the others and certainly would have helped us understanding his letter better, his problems were much deeper than that.
There are a lot of people who have psychological issues and need help but don't get help because either they don't know how to get help or they don't think they need help and their ego doesn't let them accept it.I also agree with you that from that letter you don't know how much of that was his imagination and how much of it was real and whether the cops added to his problems or not.
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True. Not only does it seem as if he had lost it, it seems as if he was alone also, and therefore did not have anyone to care for him.


And by the way the person in my avatar is my son
Very cute kid, and lucky to have you as a father.

Sherwin
04-08-2009, 11:22 PM
There was a similar case in Canada few month back where a chinese immmigrant, butchered a canadian man who was sleeping in a greyhound bus and cut his head off.

The killer was found insane and instead of jail he was sent to a mental institude to get help. The interesting matter was that, this incident, will not even go under his criminal record.

Also, it raised the question of how long will he be in that facility and also when he comes out, who is going to make sure he is taking his medication so similar event does not happen ??

If this was me and something like this happened to a close family member, and he walked away from this, I would take the law into my own hands and make the bastard pay.